Muon and Discover do not agree on updates

[steve7233]

How come Discover says there are updates but Muon can't find any? I have tried rebooting but they still do not agree.

[claydoh]

Discover handles normal packages from Ubuntu's archives as well as PPAs. It also handles updates for Snap, flatpaks, and KDE Store items.

Muon is simply a front-end to Apt, which only handles updates from official Ubuntu sources and any PPAs that have been added.

[steve7233]

Does this mean that Discover might use any PPA whether the user adds it or not?

[Beerislife]

Discover also updates themes, whereas Muon doesn't.

[claydoh]

Does this mean that Discover might use any PPA whether the user adds it or not?

No, only whatever the user has added themselves.

[steve7233]

Doesn't muon and Discover use the same repo list file?

[claydoh]

Doesn't muon and Discover use the same repo list file?

Snaps and Flatpaks are completely unrelated to 'standard' software packages handled by apt/Muon.
So, Discover in a sense has more 'repos' than Muon as it supports more types of software packages than Muon.

Look at what discover shows that isn't seen in Muon, and look at the details.

[sithlord48]

One Can think of
Flatpak as developer packaged applications and libs that are ment to work cross distros and allow you to get newer versions faster then the distro can package.

Snap is Canonical's attempt to make a NIH flatpak so they can move away from debian packages and imho should be avoided and removed in place of normal deb packages. If only to avoid the tons of loopback mount points they create.

Flatpak is community maintained and the idea is that you install an application "FooApp" from a flatpak source will download the dependencies and the application from flatpak and install them all into some place like ~/.local/flatpak/ .

Ok that is great and all how does this effect you the end user..

In discover you have support for Native (in this case debian) Packages, Flatpak, And Snap?

Outside of discover you can also use appimages they are a portable app bundles that "just works" from a place like appimage hub.

So what should you use ?

I Personally will use the distro provided packages am much as i can need a newer version just add a ppa .. if that fails then try to for a single app see if you can get an appimage for it this should work and be at the version always and forever(maybe good or bad for you needs).. if not then flatpak these will be a newer version then debians but will also install "packages of its own to support your end app but if two things use foolib you only install it once. (appimages all have all the files needed just for that app) the flatpak can have updates in discover for it or its dependencies. I just remove Snap and snapd

[steve7233]

One Can think of
Flatpak as developer packaged applications and libs that are ment to work cross distros and allow you to get newer versions faster then the distro can package.

Snap is Canonical's attempt to make a NIH flatpak so they can move away from debian packages and imho should be avoided and removed in place of normal deb packages. If only to avoid the tons of loopback mount points they create.

Flatpak is community maintained and the idea is that you install an application "FooApp" from a flatpak source will download the dependencies and the application from flatpak and install them all into some place like ~/.local/flatpak/ .

Ok that is great and all how does this effect you the end user..

In discover you have support for Native (in this case debian) Packages, Flatpak, Snap , And Appsteam ? (those are appimages they are a portable app bundles that "just works" ).
So what should you use ?

I Personally will use the distro provided packages am much as i can need a newer version just add a ppa .. if that fails then try to for a single app see if you can get an appimage for it this should work and be at the version always and forever(maybe good or bad for you needs).. if not then flatpak these will be a newer version then debians but will also install "packages of its own to support your end app but if two things use foolib you only install it once. (appimages all have all the files needed just for that app) the flatpak can have updates in discover for it or its dependencies. I just remove Snap and snapd

Sounds like Microsoft's attitude which is extremely reckless and why theUSS Microsoft is slowly going down like the HMS Titanic in 1920.

[sithlord48]

Just a small fix to the post above Appsteam is not Appimages. its a way to get information about the application in a platform agnostic way so apps like discover can show have a nice presentations w/ screenshots of the application and more.