It's too soon to say anything definitive, but in the 48 hours since losing QtCurve, not a single lockup. Keep in mind that, as my title said, they were back with a vengeance, so 48 hours is quite a long time--compared to freezing up multiple times a day.
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Did anyone think QtCurve could've been the culprit? Especially since there were long blocks of time with no lockups, and QtC was always running.
But now, lockup-free since losing QtC, I'm looking at two possibilities: pure coincidence that the lockups stopped as soon as I dumped QtC, or it was the culprit all along.
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TIme will tell. Looking forward to a month of bug free operation!"A nation that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood in an open market is a nation that is afraid of its people.”
– John F. Kennedy, February 26, 1962.
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Indeed, GG. I left EVERYTHING running when I put the laptop to bed last night. Got up this morning, and it's fine.
If it turns out to be QtCurve, I'll want to know why/what part of it. Like is there a specific element that--when some unknown-to-me event happens--clashes and locks it up? The problem with that is QtC has at least a zillion options. Stepping through them one-by-one to hone in on the bug could take years...
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It seems that the Theme that was default when I installed 20.04 is Breeze.qtcurve !
But, my system is and has been stable as a rock.
Code:[FONT=monospace][COLOR=#000000]:[/COLOR][COLOR=#5454ff][B]~[/B][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000]$ [B]locate QtCurve[/B] [/COLOR] /usr/share/QtCurve /usr/share/QtCurve/Breeze.qtcurve [/FONT][FONT=monospace] [COLOR=#000000]:[/COLOR][COLOR=#5454ff][B]~[/B][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000]$ [B]vdir /usr/share/QtCurve/[/B] [/COLOR] total 4 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3541 Mar 31 2020 Breeze.qtcurve [/FONT]
Lots of settings in Breeze.qtcurve. Don't know which, if any, would be helpful in your situation.
Code:[COLOR=#000000]:[/COLOR][COLOR=#5454ff][B]~[/B][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000]$ [B]cat /usr/share/QtCurve/Breeze.qtcurve[/B] [/COLOR] [ActiveShadows] Color=75,75,75 ColorType=5 HOffset=10 Size=29 VOffset=20 [KWin] BorderSize=3 CustomShadows=true EdgePad=3 InnerBorder=0 OuterBorder=0 [Settings] activeTabAppearance=customgradient3 animatedProgress=false appearance=customgradient3 bgndAppearance=customgradient3 bgndGrad=horiz bgndImage=none bgndOpacity=100 boldProgress=false borderInactiveTab=false borderMenuitems=false borderProgress=false borderSbarGroove=false borderSelection=false borderTab=true buttonEffect=shadow centerTabText=true colorMenubarMouseOver=true colorSelTab=0 colorSliderMouseOver=false coloredMouseOver=colored coloredTbarMo=false comboBtn=none comboSplitter=false crButton=true crColor=none crHighlight=0 crSize=15 customAlphas=0 customMenuNormTextColor=#000000 customMenuSelTextColor=#000000 customMenuTextColor=false customShades=1.16,1.07,0.9,0.78,0.84,0.87 customgradient1=none,0,0.85,0.5,0.85,1,0.85 customgradient2=none,0,1,0.5,1,1,1 customgradient3=none,0,1,1,1 darkerBorders=false defBtnIndicator=glow dlgOpacity=100 doubleGtkComboArrow=false drawStatusBarFrames=false dwtAppearance=flat dwtSettings=0 embolden=false etchEntry=false expanderHighlight=3 fadeLines=false fillProgress=true fillSlider=true flatSbarButtons=true focus=line forceAlternateLvCols=false gbFactor=0 gbLabel=9 glowProgress=none grooveAppearance=customgradient2 groupBox=none gtkButtonOrder=false gtkComboMenus=true gtkScrollViews=false handles=flat hideShortcutUnderline=true highlightFactor=2 highlightScrollViews=true highlightTab=false inactiveTitlebarAppearance=flat invertBotTab=false lighterPopupMenuBgnd=15 lvAppearance=flat lvButton=false lvLines=false mapKdeIcons=true menuBgndAppearance=flat menuBgndGrad=horiz menuBgndImage=none menuBgndOpacity=100 menuDelay=225 menuIcons=true menuStripe=none menuStripeAppearance=flat menubarAppearance=flat menubarApps=VirtualBox,smplayer,amarok,arora,kcalc,kaffeine menubarHiding=0 menubarMouseOver=true menuitemAppearance=flat noBgndGradientApps= noBgndImageApps= noBgndOpacityApps=dragon,smplayer,vmplayer,vmware,inkscape,totem,kaffeine,kscreenlocker,sonata noMenuBgndOpacityApps=vmplayer,vmware,inkscape,gtk,totem,sonata noMenuStripeApps=soffice.bin,gtk passwordChar=9679 popupBorder=false progressAppearance=customgradient3 progressColor=origselected progressGrooveAppearance=customgradient1 progressGrooveColor=base reorderGtkButtons=false round=slight roundAllTabs=true roundMbTopOnly=false sbarBgndAppearance=flat scrollbarType=none selectionAppearance=customgradient2 shadeCheckRadio=origselected shadeMenubarOnlyWhenActive=false shadeMenubars=none shadePopupMenu=true shadeSliders=#3DAEE9 shading=hsl sliderAppearance=customgradient2 sliderFill=true sliderStyle=circular sliderThumbs=none sliderWidth=9 smallRadio=true sortedLv=none splitterHighlight=3 splitters=none square=2 statusbarApps=kde statusbarHiding=0 stdBtnSizes=false stdSidebarButtons=false stripedProgress=none stripedSbar=false sunkenAppearance=customgradient3 tabAppearance=customgradient3 tabBgnd=2 tabMouseOver=glow tbarBtnAppearance=none tbarBtnEffect=none tbarBtns=standard thin=0 thinSbarGroove=false titlebarAlignment=left titlebarAppearance=flat titlebarButtonAppearance=flat titlebarButtons=2189 titlebarEffect=none titlebarIcon=menu toolbarAppearance=flat toolbarBorders=none toolbarSeparators=flat toolbarTabs=true tooltipAppearance=flat unifyCombo=true unifySpin=true unifySpinBtns=false useHighlightForMenu=true useQtFileDialogApps=googleearth-bin vArrows=false version=1.8.14 windowBorder=41 windowDrag=3 xCheck=false xbar=false
"A nation that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood in an open market is a nation that is afraid of its people.”
– John F. Kennedy, February 26, 1962.
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Four days and counting. I'm still kind of shaking my head in disbelief, because I just never thought QtCurve could be the problem. And no one else did either.
GG, my QtC is very highly customized. It took years to get it just the way I wanted. Some of its features, though, no longer work (on 20.04)--as documented somewhere around here! So now I'm wondering if it's...not exactly deprecated, but something on that spectrum, like on its way out, or works but not really, or...something. You're not having issues, I am. Was. Might. Whatever!
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I'm a QtCurve devotee from wayback too. I've never had plasma problems attributable to QtCurve, and in the early days of plasma I had lots of problems...
Would you like to export your QtCurve settings and post them here?
Here's mine from my work laptop:
Code:[KWin] BorderSize=3 InnerBorder=0 OpaqueBorder=false OuterBorder=0 [Settings] activeTabAppearance=soft animatedProgress=false appearance=soft bgndAppearance=flat bgndGrad=horiz bgndImage=none bgndOpacity=100 boldProgress=true borderInactiveTab=false borderMenuitems=true borderProgress=true borderSbarGroove=true borderSelection=false borderTab=true buttonEffect=shadow buttonStyleMenuSections=true centerTabText=false colorMenubarMouseOver=true colorSelTab=0 colorSliderMouseOver=false coloredMouseOver=glow coloredTbarMo=false comboBtn=none comboSplitter=false crButton=true crColor=none crHighlight=0 crSize=15 customAlphas=0 customMenuNormTextColor=#000000 customMenuSelTextColor=#000000 customMenuTextColor=false customShades=1.16,1.07,0.9,0.78,0.84,0.75 customgradient1=3d,0,1.2,0.5,1,1,1 customgradient2=3d,0,0.9,0.5,1,1,1 darkerBorders=true defBtnIndicator=glow dlgOpacity=100 doubleGtkComboArrow=false drawStatusBarFrames=false dwtAppearance=bevelled dwtSettings=33 embolden=false etchEntry=false expanderHighlight=10 fadeLines=true fillProgress=true fillSlider=true flatSbarButtons=true focus=glow forceAlternateLvCols=false gbFactor=-3 gbLabel=9 glowProgress=none grooveAppearance=inverted groupBox=faded gtkButtonOrder=false gtkComboMenus=false gtkScrollViews=true handles=1dot hideShortcutUnderline=false highlightFactor=3 highlightScrollViews=false highlightTab=false inactiveTitlebarAppearance=flat invertBotTab=true lighterPopupMenuBgnd=2 lvAppearance=bevelled lvButton=false lvLines=false mapKdeIcons=true menuBgndAppearance=flat menuBgndGrad=horiz menuBgndImage=none menuBgndOpacity=100 menuCloseDelay=300 menuDelay=225 menuIcons=true menuStripe=none menuStripeAppearance=darkinverted menubarAppearance=flat menubarApps=VirtualBox,smplayer menubarHiding=0 menubarMouseOver=true menuitemAppearance=fade noBgndGradientApps= noBgndImageApps= noBgndOpacityApps=vmplayer,totem,smplayer,sonata,vmware noMenuBgndOpacityApps=gtk,vmplayer,totem,sonata,vmware noMenuStripeApps=gtk,soffice.bin nonnativeMenubarApps= onlyTicksInMenu=false passwordChar=9679 popupBorder=true progressAppearance=dullglass progressColor=origselected progressGrooveAppearance=inverted progressGrooveColor=dark reorderGtkButtons=false round=extra roundAllTabs=true roundMbTopOnly=true sbarBgndAppearance=flat scrollbarType=kde selectionAppearance=harsh shadeCheckRadio=none shadeMenubarOnlyWhenActive=false shadeMenubars=none shadePopupMenu=false shadeSliders=#6FFF00 shading=hsl shadowSize=30 sliderAppearance=soft sliderFill=true sliderStyle=round sliderThumbs=none sliderWidth=5 smallRadio=true sortedLv=none splitterHighlight=3 splitters=1dot square=1664 statusbarApps=kde statusbarHiding=0 stdBtnSizes=false stdSidebarButtons=false stripedProgress=none stripedSbar=true sunkenAppearance=soft tabAppearance=soft tabBgnd=0 tabMouseOver=glow tbarBtnAppearance=none tbarBtnEffect=none tbarBtns=standard thin=3 thinSbarGroove=false titlebarAlignment=center-full titlebarAppearance=darkinverted titlebarButtonAppearance=gradient titlebarButtonColors=#000000,#000000,#000000,#000000,#000000,#000000,#000000,#000000,#000000,#000000,#000000,#000000,#000000,#000000,#000000,#000000,#000000,#000000,#000000,#000000,#000000,#000000,#000000,#000000,#000000,#000000,#000000 titlebarButtons=5 titlebarEffect=shadow titlebarIcon=title toolbarAppearance=flat toolbarBorders=none toolbarSeparators=sunken toolbarTabs=false tooltipAppearance=gradient unifyCombo=true unifySpin=true unifySpinBtns=false useHighlightForMenu=false useQtFileDialogApps= vArrows=true version=1.9.0 windowBorder=52 windowDrag=0 xCheck=false
Regards, John Little
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Originally posted by jlittle View PostI'm a QtCurve devotee from wayback too. I've never had plasma problems attributable to QtCurve, and in the early days of plasma I had lots of problems...
Would you like to export your QtCurve settings and post them here?
/usr/share/QtCurve/Breeze.qtcurve:
Code:[ActiveShadows] Color=75,75,75 ColorType=5 HOffset=10 Size=29 VOffset=20 [KWin] BorderSize=3 CustomShadows=true EdgePad=3 InnerBorder=0 OuterBorder=0 [Settings] activeTabAppearance=customgradient3 animatedProgress=false appearance=customgradient3 bgndAppearance=customgradient3 bgndGrad=horiz bgndImage=none bgndOpacity=100 boldProgress=false borderInactiveTab=false borderMenuitems=false borderProgress=false borderSbarGroove=false borderSelection=false borderTab=true buttonEffect=shadow centerTabText=true colorMenubarMouseOver=true colorSelTab=0 colorSliderMouseOver=false coloredMouseOver=colored coloredTbarMo=false comboBtn=none comboSplitter=false crButton=true crColor=none crHighlight=0 crSize=15 customAlphas=0 customMenuNormTextColor=#000000 customMenuSelTextColor=#000000 customMenuTextColor=false customShades=1.16,1.07,0.9,0.78,0.84,0.87 customgradient1=none,0,0.85,0.5,0.85,1,0.85 customgradient2=none,0,1,0.5,1,1,1 customgradient3=none,0,1,1,1 darkerBorders=false defBtnIndicator=glow dlgOpacity=100 doubleGtkComboArrow=false drawStatusBarFrames=false dwtAppearance=flat dwtSettings=0 embolden=false etchEntry=false expanderHighlight=3 fadeLines=false fillProgress=true fillSlider=true flatSbarButtons=true focus=line forceAlternateLvCols=false gbFactor=0 gbLabel=9 glowProgress=none grooveAppearance=customgradient2 groupBox=none gtkButtonOrder=false gtkComboMenus=true gtkScrollViews=false handles=flat hideShortcutUnderline=true highlightFactor=2 highlightScrollViews=true highlightTab=false inactiveTitlebarAppearance=flat invertBotTab=false lighterPopupMenuBgnd=15 lvAppearance=flat lvButton=false lvLines=false mapKdeIcons=true menuBgndAppearance=flat menuBgndGrad=horiz menuBgndImage=none menuBgndOpacity=100 menuDelay=225 menuIcons=true menuStripe=none menuStripeAppearance=flat menubarAppearance=flat menubarApps=VirtualBox,smplayer,amarok,arora,kcalc,kaffeine menubarHiding=0 menubarMouseOver=true menuitemAppearance=flat noBgndGradientApps= noBgndImageApps= noBgndOpacityApps=dragon,smplayer,vmplayer,vmware,inkscape,totem,kaffeine,kscreenlocker,sonata noMenuBgndOpacityApps=vmplayer,vmware,inkscape,gtk,totem,sonata noMenuStripeApps=soffice.bin,gtk passwordChar=9679 popupBorder=false progressAppearance=customgradient3 progressColor=origselected progressGrooveAppearance=customgradient1 progressGrooveColor=base reorderGtkButtons=false round=slight roundAllTabs=true roundMbTopOnly=false sbarBgndAppearance=flat scrollbarType=none selectionAppearance=customgradient2 shadeCheckRadio=origselected shadeMenubarOnlyWhenActive=false shadeMenubars=none shadePopupMenu=true shadeSliders=#3DAEE9 shading=hsl sliderAppearance=customgradient2 sliderFill=true sliderStyle=circular sliderThumbs=none sliderWidth=9 smallRadio=true sortedLv=none splitterHighlight=3 splitters=none square=2 statusbarApps=kde statusbarHiding=0 stdBtnSizes=false stdSidebarButtons=false stripedProgress=none stripedSbar=false sunkenAppearance=customgradient3 tabAppearance=customgradient3 tabBgnd=2 tabMouseOver=glow tbarBtnAppearance=none tbarBtnEffect=none tbarBtns=standard thin=0 thinSbarGroove=false titlebarAlignment=left titlebarAppearance=flat titlebarButtonAppearance=flat titlebarButtons=2189 titlebarEffect=none titlebarIcon=menu toolbarAppearance=flat toolbarBorders=none toolbarSeparators=flat toolbarTabs=true tooltipAppearance=flat unifyCombo=true unifySpin=true unifySpinBtns=false useHighlightForMenu=true useQtFileDialogApps=googleearth-bin vArrows=false version=1.8.14 windowBorder=41 windowDrag=3 xCheck=false xbar=false
Code:[KWin] BorderSize=3 InnerBorder=0 OuterBorder=0 [Settings] activeTabAppearance=soft animatedProgress=true appearance=shinyglass bgndAppearance=soft bgndGrad=horiz bgndImage=none bgndOpacity=100 boldProgress=true borderInactiveTab=false borderMenuitems=true borderProgress=true borderSbarGroove=true borderSelection=true borderTab=true buttonEffect=shadow buttonStyleMenuSections=true centerTabText=false colorMenubarMouseOver=true colorSelTab=0 colorSliderMouseOver=false coloredMouseOver=plastik coloredTbarMo=false comboBtn=#D8D8D8 comboSplitter=true crButton=true crColor=selected crHighlight=0 crSize=15 customAlphas=0 customMenuNormTextColor=#000000 customMenuSelTextColor=#000000 customMenuTextColor=false customShades=1.16,1.07,0.9,0.78,0.84,0.75 customgradient1=3d,0,1.2,0.5,1,1,1 customgradient2=3d,0,0.9,0.5,1,1,1 darkerBorders=true defBtnIndicator=glow dlgOpacity=100 doubleGtkComboArrow=true drawStatusBarFrames=true dwtAppearance=shinyglass dwtSettings=93 embolden=true etchEntry=true expanderHighlight=3 fadeLines=true fillProgress=true fillSlider=true flatSbarButtons=false focus=line forceAlternateLvCols=true gbFactor=-3 gbLabel=9 glowProgress=end grooveAppearance=raised groupBox=faded gtkButtonOrder=true gtkComboMenus=true gtkScrollViews=true handles=1dot hideShortcutUnderline=false highlightFactor=3 highlightScrollViews=false highlightTab=false inactiveTitlebarAppearance=shinyglass invertBotTab=true lighterPopupMenuBgnd=2 lvAppearance=raised lvButton=true lvLines=true mapKdeIcons=true menuBgndAppearance=shinyglass menuBgndGrad=horiz menuBgndImage=plainrings menuBgndOpacity=100 menuCloseDelay=300 menuDelay=200 menuIcons=true menuStripe=none menuStripeAppearance=soft menubarAppearance=flat menubarApps=VirtualBox,smplayer menubarHiding=0 menubarMouseOver=true menuitemAppearance=shinyglass noBgndGradientApps= noBgndImageApps= noBgndOpacityApps=totem,vmware,sonata,smplayer,vmplayer noMenuBgndOpacityApps=totem,vmware,sonata,gtk,vmplayer noMenuStripeApps=soffice.bin,gtk nonnativeMenubarApps= onlyTicksInMenu=false passwordChar=8727 popupBorder=true progressAppearance=shinyglass progressColor=origselected progressGrooveAppearance=inverted progressGrooveColor=dark reorderGtkButtons=false round=slight roundAllTabs=true roundMbTopOnly=true sbarBgndAppearance=shinyglass scrollbarType=kde selectionAppearance=soft shadeCheckRadio=none shadeMenubarOnlyWhenActive=false shadeMenubars=none shadePopupMenu=false shadeSliders=selected shading=hsl shadowSize=30 sliderAppearance=shinyglass sliderFill=true sliderStyle=round sliderThumbs=1dot sliderWidth=21 smallRadio=false sortedLv=selected splitterHighlight=3 splitters=1dot square=1545 statusbarApps=kde statusbarHiding=0 stdBtnSizes=true stdSidebarButtons=true stripedProgress=diagonal stripedSbar=true sunkenAppearance=bevelled tabAppearance=soft tabBgnd=0 tabMouseOver=glow tbarBtnAppearance=shinyglass tbarBtnEffect=shadow tbarBtns=raised thin=0 thinSbarGroove=false titlebarAlignment=center titlebarAppearance=shinyglass titlebarButtonAppearance=raised titlebarButtonColors=#27C6FF,#27C6FF,#27C6FF,#27C6FF,#CECECE,#000000,#27C6FF,#000000,#000000,#FFFFFF,#FFFFFF,#FFFFFF,#FFFFFF,#FFFFFF,#000000,#000000,#000000,#000000,#1A89AE,#1A89AE,#1A89AE,#1A89AE,#1A89AE,#000000,#000000,#000000,#000000 titlebarButtons=10289 titlebarEffect=none titlebarIcon=title toolbarAppearance=shinyglass toolbarBorders=light toolbarSeparators=sunken toolbarTabs=false tooltipAppearance=raised unifyCombo=true unifySpin=true unifySpinBtns=false useHighlightForMenu=false useQtFileDialogApps= vArrows=false version=1.9.0 windowBorder=52 windowDrag=1 xCheck=true
My favourite QtCurve feature is the ability to get thin and very visible scroll bars.
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I posted the result of system settings, application style, click "configure settings" on the QtCurve choice, export. If you are not importing your QtCurve settings, but just copying them into .local/share/QtCurve, conceivably some validation by using "import" might help.
However, comparing your choices with mine, most of them are different, but not in any startling way. I can't set the titlebarButtonColors; the settings sub-window for them is unresponsive. I imagine the "window decorations" theme sets them.
In KDE plasma these days there's complicated interactions between the colour scheme, application style, window decorations, and the compositor. I get quite confused and frustrated, and bash away changing this and that till I get something acceptable. It doesn't help that I find the KDE default Breeze themes and anything gnomish awful. However, plasma theming gets less buggy with every release, and the various download settings options have amazing choices. (I wish the plasma widgets had a similar wealth of choices.)
So your hangs are provoked by some complex interaction between lots of things. My guess would be kwin, because when plasmashell fails the raw windows still work, including the X root window. (In the early days of plasma the combination of kwin and the nVidia driver for my on-board graphics caused lots of hangs, and sometimes I could get past them by killing and restarting kwin from a linux console.)Regards, John Little
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@jlittle, I hear you! It's really gotten kind of ridiculous how many things control how many things... I used to know exactly what to choose to get the look I wanted, but now, as you noted, it takes a combination of different things. And, sometimes, settling for less-than-perfect results.
I have screenshots from previous versions that show how beautiful my desktops looked; comparing them to what I have now, it's actually quite disappointing. QtCurve, as its own entity, is still good, but some of its components no longer work, and I want them back.
But aside from that, other things--like no longer having separate wallpaper per desktop--seem like a *BIG* step backward. I used to turn heads (window$ users) spinning my desktop cube, displaying each desktop with its own wallpaper and widgets, and popping in and out...they didn't even know what 'multiple desktops' WERE, let alone that they could act independently of each other, AND be displayed on a cube you could rotate.
Now? For the first time in my Linux life, I've set my number of desktops to 1. Without separate wallpapers, I no longer have any pressing desire to use more than one desktop. And I've been multi-desktop for nearly 40 years!
As for my lockups, I had one today, so there goes the 5-day streak. But that's still better than multiple lockups per day. I really think there's a conflict...clash...somewhere, something that isn't obvious to me, but that happens at certain times/events and freezes everything up. I thought I was finally on to something, since the lockups stopped immediately after losing QtC, but now I don't know what to think.
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What's the longest RAM test you've run since the problem started?
Most people run the RAM test for one cycle and if they don't get any problems they call it good. A better run would be over night."A nation that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood in an open market is a nation that is afraid of its people.”
– John F. Kennedy, February 26, 1962.
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Originally posted by DoYouKubuntu View PostBut aside from that, other things--like no longer having separate wallpaper per desktop--seem like a *BIG* step backward. I used to turn heads (window$ users) spinning my desktop cube, displaying each desktop with its own wallpaper and widgets, and popping in and out...they didn't even know what 'multiple desktops' WERE, let alone that they could act independently of each other, AND be displayed on a cube you could rotate.
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+1 for Vallpaper. The cube (ctrl-f11) is a bit of a gimmick, looks cool but the scroll-wheel on the desktop or the pager widget are faster, and animate with the correct images with Vallpaper.Regards, John Little
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Originally posted by GreyGeek View PostWhat's the longest RAM test you've run since the problem started?
Most people run the RAM test for one cycle and if they don't get any problems they call it good. A better run would be over night.
Originally posted by kubicle View PostYou can get separate wallpapers for different virtual desktops with a wallpaper plugin like "Vallpaper" (https://store.kde.org/p/1197828/). Last I checked, it doesn't really work with the cube (the wallpaper changes only after you switch to a new desktop), but the cube is sort of "meh" to me, anyway. The configuration options for Vallpaper are extensive, and it can take a bit of effort to get it right (but on the positive side you do get a lot of options).
Before I got sick, I used to use multiple desktops to organize tasks. For example, Internet-related stuff on one desktop, graphics on another, office utilities on another, and so on. Now, I just want my beautiful cube back!
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Last night I installed memtester, thinking maybe it would help...somehow. I gave it a spin, but I'm wondering if anyone here is really familiar with it, and can guide me on how best to use it for the problem described in this thread. So, for example, running it overnight, then collecting its info and using that to figure out...something. Or am I barking up the wrong tree?
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