Perfect record - do not read if you don't want bad news

[mudlark]

Re: Perfect record - do not read if you don't want bad news

Greygeek,

I have been using kubuntu since 6.04 if I remember and this upgrade is the only one that has failed so substantially.

I could not even get the hard drive to boot at all into safe mode. i couldn't find a rescue method that gave me a hope. Then i decided to install from a liveCD which was very quick and easy.

My other machine was upgraded slowly as the beta and then Rc came along and it has survived the upgrade process.

many people have had problems this time around.

At the end of today I do have a great looking distro that works very well.

[Tick]

Re: Perfect record - do not read if you don't want bad news

I had the same problem.
Black screen after a 3.5 hrs long installation. Had to reinstall 9.04 and re-upgrade. Now still many things not working fine. Programs constantly crashing.

And you opted for the harder route of installing 9.04 and upgrading it instead of using the 9.10 LiveCD to reinstall because?

You probably also have a 64 bit machine. Did you install the 64 bit version of Kubuntu?

Sad to admit, but the so far proudly pretended stability of Linux distro is vanishing with time. Never had so many probelm with Windows as i had in the last few months with Kubuntu

"vanishing with time"?
In you first post on this forum you wrote:

9 Kubuntu Discussion / Installation and Boot / [SOLVED] Kubunto does not show up in Boot on: October 03, 2009, 06:38:31 am
Hi all, i-m completely new and lost.

So, with a history of less than a month you confidently write that "proudly pretended stability of Linux distro is vanishing with time". Then you add your clincher "Never had so many probelm with Windows as I had in the last few months with Kubuntul"?

Which is it? Are you a newbie with less than a month's experience, as you state in your first post on this forum, or do you have several months experience with Kubuntu? Or any Linux distro?

For the vast majority of Kubuntu users (newbie or otherwise) installing Kubuntu is just a matter of a few mouse clicks. Those who do not precheck their hardware and install Linux on incompatible hardware often do have problems, but sometimes a workaround is found. The same can be said for Windows, too, as the recent VISTA fiaco, and as some folks are reporting with Win7, and probably yourself too, verifies.

You began your Kubuntu experience trying to install it on a 2 HD system that had two VISTA installs on it, which is NOT a common or normal environment for either VISTA or Kubuntu. You got help inn solving your grub problem and replied:

Thanx everybody for your help.. I'll come back soon with other stupid questions

We're here to help, Tick, but you adding negative comments based on trivial experience isn't helpful, unless your goal is to scare other newbies away. If that is your goal then who are you, really? And are you as "sad" as you claim?

Don't get me wrong. First of all i don't want to generate any sterile polemic. I got to Kubuntu because many friends claimed a great stabilty. I'm staying with Kubunto for other reasons (the phylosophy behind) than stability, because it is not the big point of the system. regarding my "trivial experience", i am a user, as any other user, and my experience and feelings should be a feedback to improve a system bilt around the users. I'd like to see the Linux idea gaining a more consistent market slice, and is for these reason that my negative comments are not intended to be destructive, rather an objective opinion (yes, based on my trivial experience) about what may need to be improved, ESPECIALLY in order not to scare newbies ( i know many who ran back to other systems). I hope you get my point now. Sincerely.

[theread]

Re: Perfect record - do not read if you don't want bad news

Hello GreyGeek,

Your post is quite valid within the terms of this thread but I do believe that it is time to reassess the 6 month timespan between version upgrades.

My machine is 1 hard drive, has never ever had anything but Kubuntu on it (it was purchased for this purpose), every upgrade from daper onwards has always been trouble free EXCEPT this one.

I am not a Linux geek, just a moderately knowledgeable computer user who has work to get on with and Karmic is not boosting my confidence.

No doubt all will be fixed in time but all those kernel crash dialogues are getting tiresome. Perhaps next time the deadline for release will be when all is well and not the calendar.

Cheers

Roy

[vinnywright]

Re: Perfect record - do not read if you don't want bad news

??.....strang usualey I have the bad luck........But my upgrade from 9.04 to 9.10 whent prfectley :P

I allready had uped to KDE 4.3.2 in JJ but I had no problems thare eather.



VINNY

[Guest]

Re: Perfect record - do not read if you don't want bad news

I am brand new to the forum (today), and brand new to Kubuntu (4 days, however I have been using Mepis for a couple of years).

I downloaded Kubuntu 9.04 Wednesday, not realizing 9.10 would become available on Thursday. I had several issues witn 9.04 that I thought I caused, but apparently were problems that were known. I say this because Kubuntu automatically tried to upgrade to 9.10 and I let it. Unfortunately, 3.5 hours into the upgrade it failed as so many others did. Instinctively, (and to save time) I downloaded and burned 9.10 and installed it. The issues I found in 9.04 were corrected in 9.10.

Most major upgrades of software will have issues, and Kubuntu is no exception. The real test for me will be to see how quickly those issues get solved.

Overall, Kunbuntu 9.10 with KDE 4 appears to be a winner. I moved from Mepis because there are issues that have remained for a while (don't get me wrong, I think Mepis is a great distro) and I want the functionality.

Thanks to those who give their time to make Kubuntu and these forums a success.

[eddieg780]

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I had pretty much the same problem here. I always upgrade to my experimental drive, I have 2 drives with the same versions on them. I noticed you must have a wired internet connection for the upgrade. The upgrade disconnects your wireless while installing and then wants to access the internet to get more packages. Since there was an kernel upgrade I had to go to a prompt and reinstall my nvidia driver again. I also had to go to recovery mode and do the fix packages thing. Also if you have wicd for wireless, as I do, the upgrade removes it and installs knetwork manager, which I hate. So I had to install wicd again. I also noticed kpowersave does not get along well with my 9.10. After turning it off the crashes regarding kdesudo stopped. I usually wait 5 days or so after a version release to upgrade. Somethings are fixed by then. Karmic seems faster that Jaunty as well. So far my machine is running pretty good. Hope this helps.

[GreyGeek]

Re: Perfect record - do not read if you don't want bad news

I moved from Mepis because there are issues that have remained for a while (don't get me wrong, I think Mepis is a great distro) and I want the functionality.

I used MEPIS for a couple years, but left them and switched to PCLinuxOS for a couple years. They are both excellent distros but their primary weakness is a dependency on one main developer. Warren was away from MEPIS because he needed to support his family and sales of MEPIS didn't meet his needs. Texstar was blown out of Huston by the hurricane and it took over a year for him to get back on his feet and retake the helm of PCLOS. His absence was obvious and the distro suffered from lack of leadership and a poor release.

Not everyone can be a Linus and most people don't have a clue as to how HARD it is to develop, release and support a Linux distro.

[dibl]

Re: Perfect record - do not read if you don't want bad news

I used MEPIS for 6 months or so, in 2007. It's good and stable, but as GG says, it suffers the same syndrome as the many, many other Linux distributions that are the "pet project" of a single developer. I've subsequently ruled out all such distros for any serious use -- they can be interesting and fun to play with, such as E-live, and I do try to keep up with their developments, but I'm not betting my personal productivity on them.

There are only a handful of Linux distributions with a true team of developers supporting them. Those are the ones to look at for serious purposes.

IMHO.

[geezer]

Re: Perfect record - do not read if you don't want bad news

Okay - the problem I had with the 9.10 installation from the Live CD not finding one of my drives is a known bug.

The solution is to remove the dmraid package. Boot the Live-CD and try before installing. Open a terminal window and execute:

sudo apt-get remove dmraid

then close the terminal window and click on the install 9.10 icon

Did that today to get a clean installation of 9.10. The clean installation solved the problem I had with the networkmanager.

So far I'm liking 9.10.