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**hord45** · Feb 05, 2009, 04:19 AM

Re: Gwenview: Where are the features of the KDE3 version?

With KDE42 there is a conflict between kipi-plugins and gwenview (no conflict with KDE413).

**The Liquidator** · Feb 05, 2009, 06:30 AM

Re: Gwenview: Where are the features of the KDE3 version?

I think the reason for this is that the digikam currently available is that for kde 3, which then has kipi plugins again for kde 3. To illustrate try choosing help in digikam. That won't work because its looking for kde3 help which isn't there any more.

I do not expect this to be resolved until there is a kde4 version of digikam. Digikam is a must for me so for general graphics viewing I use either okular or irfanview using wine. I haven't investigated alternatives to digikam.

**hord45** · Feb 05, 2009, 06:37 AM

Re: Gwenview: Where are the features of the KDE3 version?

Well, the point is, that the kipi-plugins have nothing to do with the gwenview core functionalities - they add things like album creation...

**The Liquidator** · Feb 05, 2009, 07:25 AM

Re: Gwenview: Where are the features of the KDE3 version?

Unfortunately it probably does have something to do with it. Kipi plugins have a considerable range of functions. For example I occasionally convert photo albums to Mpegs and the kipi plugins are vital for that, and numerous other functions.

I assume you come from a Windows background? If not, please forgive the superfluous explanation below.

As opposed to what happens in Windows, where one company builds an all-encompassing self -contained package, which is great but can install different copies of the same file (DLL hell is a good term) Linux apps are more modular - The wheel does not generally get reinvented. Instead authors requiring a certain function make their apps call upon another generally available application. So one application may require installation of a number of others to work. Conversely, one application may be a source of functionality required by many others. On a practical level, this can only work on free software - imagine the royalty issues that would arise in the proprietary world.

The Kipi web-page says "KIPI (KDE Image Plugin Interface) is an effort to develop a common plugin structure for Digikam, KPhotoAlbum, Showimg and GwenView. Its aim is to share image plugins among graphic applications. Kipi is based on the old digiKam plugins implementation. " It therefore follows that when sharing applications in this way, you need consistency to avoid "dependency hell" which the package managers are steering us away from. It would seem that digikam is lagging behind gwenview in terms of KDE4 readiness and as both are, to varying degrees no doubt, dependent on (some of) the same packages, but different versions, the package managers won't let it happen, so we can have either gwenview or digikam.

Ian

**kubicle** · Feb 06, 2009, 02:05 AM

Re: Gwenview: Where are the features of the KDE3 version?

Originally posted by The Liquidator

I think the reason for this is that the digikam currently available is that for kde 3, which then has kipi plugins again for kde 3. To illustrate try choosing help in digikam. That won't work because its looking for kde3 help which isn't there any more.

Must be an intrepid thing, since on jaunty it's all KDE4...it's been a while since I've used intrepid, but I think I had KDE4 version of digikam installed, though I can't remember if it was from the standard repos (digikam-kde4) or from a PPA repository.

**The Liquidator** · Feb 06, 2009, 04:12 AM

Re: Gwenview: Where are the features of the KDE3 version?

That's interesting, so if the new version of digikam could be made available to we intrepid users this problem ought to go away.

**kubicle** · Feb 06, 2009, 05:01 AM

Re: Gwenview: Where are the features of the KDE3 version?

Originally posted by The Liquidator

That's interesting, so if the new version of digikam could be made available to we intrepid users this problem ought to go away.

At least you should be able to have KDE4 versions of gwenview, digikam and kipi-plugins. You can try this PPA in your sources:

Code:

deb [url]http://ppa.launchpad.net/digikam-experimental/ppa/ubuntu[/url] intrepid main

information:
https://launchpad.net/~digikam-exper...l/+archive/ppa

Note that PPAs are unofficial, so there are no guarantees everything will work as you'd expect them to (but if it causes issues, you can disable the repository and downgrade the packages)

**The Liquidator** · Feb 06, 2009, 08:06 AM

Re: Gwenview: Where are the features of the KDE3 version?

Thanks for the repo kubicle - I'll try it when I get home tonight

Just noticed your earlier quote in which you say you are not using intrepid. Am I to conclude that you are just using Jaunty?

**kubicle** · Feb 07, 2009, 02:03 AM

Re: Gwenview: Where are the features of the KDE3 version?

Originally posted by The Liquidator

Just noticed your earlier quote in which you say you are not using intrepid. Am I to conclude that you are just using Jaunty?

Both of my kubuntu machines are currently running Jaunty, yes. I like to run kubuntu as a "rolling release", switching to the next development repos as soon as a version is released. I can't recommend it to anyone who wants a stable release without problems, but I like to keep my on the development...and I'm usually capable of dealing with problems that are inevitable with a development version.

I do run other distributions on machines that I need to be stable and working 24/7 (like my server which is running debian stable).

**The Liquidator** · Feb 08, 2009, 05:34 PM

Re: Gwenview: Where are the features of the KDE3 version?

Oh dear! Hope this is not the shape of things to come.

I have got the new digikam/kipi plugins and gwenview now downloads and runs. So far so good.

However, the mpeg slideshow functionality (a kipi plugin feature) appears to heva vanished. With that function I could take a batch of pictures, stick music in the background, and create a slideshow in the form of a movie that I could burn to DVD. It's a real bummer as I need to do just that very soon. Not a problem with the old digikam.

Is this a temporary blip I wonder, or can I do it some other way? If not, looks like I might have to go back to the old version, at least for now

**hord45** · Feb 09, 2009, 03:35 AM

Re: Gwenview: Where are the features of the KDE3 version?

I you read my opening post, you would see, that kipi doesn't solve my complains with the current gwenview release.

Now, according to the gwenview homepage, a folder sidebar like the one in the kde3 version will be implemented for the next version. So I hope, this version will be in 9.04.

Regards,
Michael

**NoWorries** · Feb 19, 2009, 04:15 AM

Re: Gwenview: Where are the features of the KDE3 version?

I certainly am looking forward to an improved Gwenview. It would only display my jpg pictures in a slide show and it would skip over mpg movies. I was not able to get irfanview to work so I did not bother to keep Gwenview on my system.

I have stuck with digiKam as that is the easiest way to get pictures from my camera. Otherwise, I would have to remove the SD card and plug it in to my laptop to read the images because I have not been able to find the mount point for the camera. Also, there is no recognition by the system when the camera is plugged in, so I have to launch digiKam and use it to connect to the camera.

I have added extra folders to digiKam where I keep categorize and edited pictures. I can do a slide show of these jpg images but it fails on mpg movies. I have combined jpg and mpg movies and these are displayed successfully by digiKam when the full screen mode is used.

So this solution works for me until Gwenview and digikam are fixed for KDE 4.2. Hope this is not too far in the future.

NoWorries

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