KDE 4.2 Beta - problems upgrading software?

[kbunt]

I still haven't found/read a 'recommended' upgrade path.

Are you supposed to choose individual packages or just upgrade 'kdebase-4.1.85?'

Anyway, I tried upgrading and it displayed that kdebase conflicted so I am assuming the other packages get installed as upgrades and kdebase-4.1.85' would be a different type of upgrade?

The issue is not everything upgraded to using KDE 4.2.

Also, the integration between packages and KDE versions is horrible! Sorry, it just is! I am thinking of posting to the KDE forums but they probably already know how bad it is.

I upgraded the messager program, kopete, to KDE 4.2 (4.1.85 KDE) but it is displayed as still using KDE 4.1.3.

However, both Synaptic and Adept installer show it as the most recent, KDE 4.1.85. TALK ABOUT A MESS!!!

KDE4 IS NOT READY!

This was all a waste of time upgrading.

[Nate]

Re: KDE 4.2 Beta - problems upgrading software?

kdebase is a very important part of the kde beta. If yours didn't get upgraded that probably means your kde is going to act a bit whacko. I'd fix the kdebase problem and make sure you're actually fully upgraded before anything else.

Keep in mind that you're using beta 2. They haven't fixed a lot of problems. But they also didn't recommend that people upgrade if they weren't prepared to deal with some issues. Just for the record, my kdebase is version 4.1.85. I didn't have any upgrade issues, so you might want to give specifics about the dependency conflicts you receive. I've also got Kopete version 4.1.85 installed, and it displays the correct version number in the Help menu of Kopete.

Fortunately, the first Release Candidate of 4.2 is due in a couple days, which could alleviate many of the issues encountered.

[kubicle]

Re: KDE 4.2 Beta - problems upgrading software?

The issue is not everything upgraded to using KDE 4.2.

You did log out/in to restart KDE after the upgrade?

Running software doesn't just magically upgrade if you upgrade the program files.

[kbunt]

Re: KDE 4.2 Beta - problems upgrading software?

The issue is not everything upgraded to using KDE 4.2.

You did log out/in to restart KDE after the upgrade?

Running software doesn't just magically upgrade if you upgrade the program files.

Yes, I logged out, rebooted, and there aren't many things left to do?

I will take a look and see what hasn't been installed yet if anything. I think I am hosed, though. There is too much that is wrong. I cannot access the menu so I am hoping I can start programs from the terminal console. I can only use programs that I added a 'widget' for. I can click those and they will start. The GUI screen that opens is usually to the left corner of the screen and I cannot resize or move it. Whatever I did, the upgrade has made the desktop unusable.

[kubicle]

Re: KDE 4.2 Beta - problems upgrading software?

I cannot access the menu

Which menu are you using (Kickoff/Lancelot)?

Make sure you've installed/upgraded all 'plasma' related packages

The GUI screen that opens is usually to the left corner of the screen and I cannot resize or move it.

You mean you don't see the the window borders (with titlebar and the window buttons)?

Make sure you've installed/upgraded 'kde-window-manager' (assuming you use kwin and not compiz)

You can make sure everything gets upgraded with the command:

sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade

As a last resort, you can try backing up your kde settings folder which should get you the vanilla kde desktop on next log in. (This will remove your modifications to your desktop, but also get rid of possible config glitches with 4.2).

mv -r ~/.kde ~/.kdebackup

(Note that the ~/.kde folder also contains some data like kmail messages and account information, which is why it's better to back it up rather than outright remove it, so you can get the data back if necessary)

[kbunt]

Re: KDE 4.2 Beta - problems upgrading software?

Which menu are you using (Kickoff/Lancelot)?

Make sure you've installed/upgraded all 'plasma' related packages

Sorry, not sure. How do I tell?

You mean you don't see the the window borders (with titlebar and the window buttons)?

I mean, the window of Firefox is not full-size and the window is positioned in the left-hand corner of the screen. Ditto for when a terminal console is opened. I added a widget for whenever I want a terminal console so I am able to open one. As I mentioned earlier, I cannot drag or move these windows. I also cannot access the K-Menu.

Make sure you've installed/upgraded 'kde-window-manager' (assuming you use kwin and not compiz)

I guess I am using kwin. I have 'effects' but no 'transparent' cube.

You can make sure everything gets upgraded with the command:

sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade

Interesting idea but won't a 'dist-upgrade' end up hosing my Nvidia driver install? I installed it via the newest beta driver.

mv -r ~/.kde ~/.kdebackup
(Note that the ~/.kde folder also contains some data like kmail messages and account information, which is why it's better to back it up rather than outright remove it, so you can get the data back if necessary)

I'm trying to get into the habit of having minimal data in my (home) directories but I was a bit lazy and have some data here and there. I will try to move it to another partition or DVD (whatever is easiest) since I am thinking this is going to turn out to become a re-install if I still use Kubuntu 8,10.

Your ideas are really good and I appreciate the attempts to help.

My desktop is a mess, though.

[kubicle]

Re: KDE 4.2 Beta - problems upgrading software?

Which menu are you using (Kickoff/Lancelot)?

Make sure you've installed/upgraded all 'plasma' related packages

Sorry, not sure. How do I tell?

If you haven't replaced the default 'k-menu' then you are using kickoff (the default).
The packages you wish to install/upgrade are kdebase-plasma, libplasma3 (and possibly kdeplasma-addons and kdeplasma-addons-data for lancelot and extra widgets)

I mean, the window of Firefox is not full-size and the window is positioned in the left-hand corner of the screen. Ditto for when a terminal console is opened. I added a widget for whenever I want a terminal console so I am able to open one. As I mentioned earlier, I cannot drag or move these windows. I also cannot access the K-Menu.

I guess I am using kwin. I have 'effects' but no 'transparent' cube.

Screenshot might help, but this does seem like a window manager problem...additionally, if you have effects but not the cube, it's possible that you don't have the 4.2 beta 'kde-window-manager' package installed(it includes the 'cube' effect).

Interesting idea but won't a 'dist-upgrade' end up hosing my Nvidia driver install? I installed it via the newest beta driver.

It shouldn't (a kernel upgrade might, but the kde beta repos don't have newer kernels).

Anyway, if you're hesitant to make a full upgrade, you can just run the command and it should tell you what it wants to do and ask for your corfirmation (answer 'n' if you don't wish to make changes). You should get a good idea of which packages might not have been upgraded properly.

[kbunt]

Re: KDE 4.2 Beta - problems upgrading software?

If I start from scratch, how should I do it?

I thought, install from LiveCD, add the repositories to the sources.list including the one with KDE 4.1.85 beta:

http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.2-beta-2

Then do a dist-upgrade?

sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade

That would upgrade the KDE packages to 4.1.85?

If that works, I could try the Nvidia beta driver install (if I still have any video issues?) as another experiment to see what happens?

Do those sound like sensible steps to take to experiment with KDE 4.1.85 and the newest Nvidia driver? I'm just curious to see what issues are left. I know there will be some bugs but what happened previously could be due to some mistake I made but if I try the upgrade from scratch, maybe I will have a different result? Regardless, I'll take whatever I get . I can always try my current Debian-based distros using KDE 3.5 or try Ubuntu.

[dibl]

Re: KDE 4.2 Beta - problems upgrading software?

That's about right kbunt. I'd do it like this:

1. Install the OS (hint: the Alternate Install CD has more packages).

2. sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade (this will bring it up to date)*

3. Add the new ppa repository for KDE 4.2

4. sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade (this will get you KDE 4.2)

5. Check it carefully and make sure everything seems to be hanging together and working as it's supposed to, more or less.

6. Make a backup copy of /etc/X11/xorg.conf

7. Download the ....pgk2.run version of the Nvidia driver installer, and go for it, following the steps on the other thread.


*if new kernel(s) are offered, you might as well get them at this stage, since they will break the Nvidia driver if you get them after it is installed.

[kubicle]

Re: KDE 4.2 Beta - problems upgrading software?

If you're adamant on reinstalling (although I'm fairly sure you could fix the current installation...then again, sometimes a reinstallation is an 'easier' route), you could go as dibl suggested.

One note though, I'd still use dist-upgrade instead of upgrade. The difference:
1. apt-get upgrade (upgrade packages that can be upgraded without installing new packages and/or removing old packages...similar to 'safe upgrade' in synaptic/adept

2. apt-get dist-upgrade (upgrade all packages, even if it means installing new packages and/or removing old packages due to changed dependencies...similar to 'full upgrade' in synaptic/adept)

apt-get dist-upgrade will make sure everything is upgraded as sometimes newer packages have different dependencies than their previous versions. (libplasma2-->libplasma3 transition in KDE 4.2 comes to mind)

[dibl]

Re: KDE 4.2 Beta - problems upgrading software?

Yep, good point on dist-upgrade kubicle -- thanks!

[boardstupid]

Re: KDE 4.2 Beta - problems upgrading software?

I have libplasma3 currently installed. Is it possible to use plasmoids that depend on libplasma2 like panel-spacer and cashew-off?

Currently I can't launch synaptic or any adept packages from kickoff, lancelot, or the "classic" app launcher. I am able to get most things that I think need doing via the command line. Being forced to use terminal is a good way to learn it quickly

I've checked my repositories and I have

deb [url]http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-experimental/ubuntu[/url] intrepid main

for KDE 4.2. Is this the right one?

After many updates/restarting X/restarting machine, I am left with one package to upgrade

mark@Laptop:~$ sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
Calculating upgrade... Done
The following packages have been kept back:
 gwenview
The following packages will be upgraded:
 kmousetool
1 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded.
Need to get 0B/59.9kB of archives.
After this operation, 12.3kB of additional disk space will be used.
Do you want to continue [Y/n]? y
WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!
 kmousetool
Install these packages without verification [y/N]? y
(Reading database ... 122920 files and directories currently installed.)
Preparing to replace kmousetool 4:4.1.3-0ubuntu1~intrepid1 (using .../kmousetool_4%3a4.1.85-0ubuntu1~intrepid1~ppa1_i386.deb) ...
Unpacking replacement kmousetool ...
dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kmousetool_4%3a4.1.85-0ubuntu1~intrepid1~ppa1_i386.deb (--unpack):
 trying to overwrite `/usr/share/icons/hicolor/16x16/actions/female.png', whichis also in package kttsd
Errors were encountered while processing:
 /var/cache/apt/archives/kmousetool_4%3a4.1.85-0ubuntu1~intrepid1~ppa1_i386.deb
E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)

The last time I logged in I had the update notifier telling me these two programs could be updated so I went along and clicked apply. I got the message

Commit failed.
To continue, hit ok and we will try to recover. If you close the application now, we will not do anything and you may try to resolve the problem manually.
(If you suspect this is a bug in Adept, please also provide the following exception description in the report).

The error was: 
APT Error. Context:
  Running dpkg, 
  [ /usr/bin/dpkg, --status-fd, 3, --unpack, /var/cache/apt/archives/kmousetool_4-0x1.edff4bfb11764p-1504.1.85-0ubuntu1~intrepid1~ppa1_i386.deb ], 
  Sup-process returned error code 1, 
  Error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kmousetool_4%3a4.1.85-0ubuntu1~intrepid1~ppa1_i386.deb : trying to overwrite `/usr/share/icons/hicolor/16x16/actions/female.png', which is also in package kttsd.

closely followed by

It seems that the recovery has been successful. We will now try to re-open the cache...

after pressing OK, but the programs still don't seem to be upgraded.

Any Ideas?

[kubicle]

Re: KDE 4.2 Beta - problems upgrading software?

I have libplasma3 currently installed. Is it possible to use plasmoids that depend on libplasma2 like panel-spacer and cashew-off?

Possibly by compiling them yourself (the plasmoids will probably be updated eventually), although some plasmoids might need some recoding.

Currently I can't launch synaptic or any adept packages from kickoff, lancelot, or the "classic" app launcher.

Can you run them from konsole with 'kdesudo synaptic', for example. If not, do you get any error messages?

I've checked my repositories and I have
Code:
deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-experimental/ubuntu intrepid main
for KDE 4.2. Is this the right one?

Yes

After many updates/restarting X/restarting machine, I am left with one package to upgrade

Looks like a file conflict between two packages (the two packages include the same file).
If you want to force the upgrade you can use

sudo dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/kmousetool_4%3a4.1.85-0ubuntu1~intrepid1~ppa1_i386.deb

[boardstupid]

Re: KDE 4.2 Beta - problems upgrading software?

Can you run them from konsole with 'kdesudo synaptic', for example. If not, do you get any error messages?

Yeah, sudo adept and sudo synaptic both launch their respective programs, they just won't launch from kickoff etc. It's only a minor annoyance.

The forced upgrade worked for kmousetool, thanks.

[kubicle]

Re: KDE 4.2 Beta - problems upgrading software?

Can you run them from konsole with 'kdesudo synaptic', for example. If not, do you get any error messages?

Yeah, sudo adept and sudo synaptic both launch their respective programs, they just won't launch from kickoff etc. It's only a minor annoyance.

Right, did you run 'sudo synaptic' or 'kdesudo synaptic'? (Just to check it's not a problem with kdesudo)