Want my Konqueror back

[squirrel]

Hi everybody,

Long time no see.

Just installed Kubuntu 8.10. Looks good so fare, except the Dolphin/Konqueror mess. I just can't stand Dolphin and it seems, that I'm now forced to leave it installed....However, I'd like to have a fully working Konqueror (as it was with 3.5). How can I achieve that?

Thanks for a hint!

Cheers,
Squirrel


Update
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Uhm, how I'm supposed to zip/encrypt/do-anything-what-you-would-do-on-a-desktop-machine?? Aaarrrggghhh, those unnecessary changes are just a pain in the ...neck...

[toad]

Re: Want my Konqueror back

Second that! There is the konqueror widget which fits nicely into the taskbar, but the quick access widgets insist on opening dolphin - dare I remove dolphin?

sudo apt-get remove dolphin
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:
kdepimlibs5-dev libsmbclient-dev libsasl2-dev libldap2-dev libusb-dev libpth-dev libraw1394-dev
libgpgme11-dev libqimageblitz-dev libxkbfile-dev
Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove them.
The following packages will be REMOVED:
dolphin kdebase-bin kdebase-data kdebase-dev konqueror konqueror-plugin-searchbar kubuntu-desktop
kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 8 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
After this operation, 11.5MB disk space will be freed.
Do you want to continue [Y/n]? n
Abort.

Will konqueror kick in if I do so?

Anybody out there brave enough do to this?

[aged hippy]

Re: Want my Konqueror back

Anybody out there brave enough do to this?

.... not even me. but maybe foolish enough in my case.

Dthreelphin seems such a... silly name.

I just can't take anything seriously if it has (or had) numbers in it's name....

[andrewyoungisgreat]

Re: Want my Konqueror back

How do you change Konqueror to start in 'file' mode instead of 'web' mode?

[squirrel]

Re: Want my Konqueror back

Ok guys, I give it up. Too drastic (and IMHO unnecessary) changes (and I don't mean KDE4). This makes the Desktop unusable for me. I switched back to Kubuntu 8.04. I hope this gets corrected in the next version...otherwise I don't know where to go...

[dibl]

Re: Want my Konqueror back

Looks good so fare, except the Dolphin/Konqueror mess. I just can't stand Dolphin and it seems, that I'm now forced to leave it installed....

I didn't understand the original problem, and I'm still confused.

Adept Manager shows clearly the Dolphin package and the Konqueror package installed on my system. Using either toad's method, or simply un-checking the box in Adept and choosing "Apply" will result in removal of the applicable package from the system, if that's what you really, really want to do. So how in the world can you be "forced to leave it installed"?

If I run Konqueror (just this once -- I don't actually use it for anything ...), and I click "Settings > Configure Konqueror > File Management", then I've got three different parameters in which to set it up to view and handle files, including associations of files with applications. When I've got that stuff the way I want it, then I can click "Settings > Profile Management" where I've some more choices of how I want it to look, and what I want it to do as normal behavior, and then then if I recall correctly from the last time I played with it, I can name a profile "browse my files" and I can load that profile and leave it as the default, so the next time I run Konqueror that's the way it acts.

Right?

So how is this "unusable" (assuming you intend to use Konqueror)

[squirrel]

Re: Want my Konqueror back

I have a question to your question: Why do I have to do this? The reason why I migrated from Windows to Linux was, because I thought I get a more stable system. Now what I get is a system which breaks (from a user point of view, not a technical one) every 6 months and I have to spend hours and hours to get it into a usable state. Sighs. I was willing to invest time for the migration at the very beginning, but now I'm not willing to invest more time. Enough is enough. Maybe I'm just frustrated right now and I give it another shot in couple days, but right now, I'm pissed. And please, if some nerds will come up with "then Linux is nothing for you": Please leave your dungeon and find a gf!

No offend, it's just me...

PS: Written on Kubuntu 8.04 (meaning, I'm still a Linux user)

[dibl]

Re: Want my Konqueror back

Maybe I'm just frustrated right now and I give it another shot in couple days, but right now, I'm pissed.

That's OK -- happens to everyone.

But, I still say you are doing this "every 6 months" thing to yourself, unnecessarily. If you have a stable, productive Linux system, leave it un-upgraded! What's going to happen -- your subscription will expire?

Seriously, there's a lot to be said for leaving a functioning system alone, not that I would ever accept my own advice on that point. But the Kubuntu system that I installed 18 months ago for a close relative is going to continue running Hardy at least until Christmas ....

[squirrel]

Re: Want my Konqueror back

You are probably right on that one. However, I thought they (whoever this is) would improve the product now in a more reliable, stable way (from my perpective) and I wanted to benefit from that (especially KDE4). Seems to be a wrong thought after all.

Maybe somebody could answer this question: Why can't I simply zip/encrypt files in my file-manager (here dolphin or konqueror) out of the box? Where do I have to activate the magic button?

A more general question: Linux is all about choice (at least you can hear that as an argument), right? Why are they not giving the user this choice in an easy way? Don't like Dolphin? Just set your new file manager in the settings (no terminal, no config file editing) and let the system handle the change. In my opinion the user is still not enough in the focus. It's still about technical feature (500 quatrizillion megabytes RAM addressable and so forth, sorry short on time) and not about useability.

[dibl]

Re: Want my Konqueror back

You probably know this, but I hadn't done it lately, so just for the record:

Open Dolphin, and browse to whatever file you need to zip.

Right-click the file, and choose "Open With" -- no Ark in sight.

Browse to "Utilities" and choose "Ark", and click it, put an "X" in the "Remember application association for this type of file" box. I did this on a .txt file.

Now click "OK.

Now Ark opens and acts like it never heard of the file you previously right-clicked. Oh well -- it's still sitting there in the Dolphin window. So, in Ark click "open" and give the new archive a name -- mine is "testem", choose one of the 5 archive types -- I chose "zip", and then add the file that you meant to zip. Into the archive it goes. Now exit from Ark.

To verify that your settings were adjusted, close Dolpin and re-run it. Right-click a different file of the same type -- .txt in my test case. Choose "Open With" and sure enough, there is Ark on top of the selection list.

So, that's how it works on mine.

[squirrel]

Re: Want my Konqueror back

See? Would you agree that this is suboptimal (and I have to do this for every extension wtf?)?

Another thing: Now, suddenly, I'm not able to change the order in the menu, doesn't matter whether you have the new or the classic menu, you can change it in the editor, but it has no effect.

Such things are just unnecessary, you see what I mean? :P

[dibl]

Re: Want my Konqueror back

Yeah, I take your point.

Well, it IS 4.1, right?

[squirrel]

Re: Want my Konqueror back

Agree on this, BUT now it is 4.1 and not 4.0 and I have no choice IF I would like to use the newest official and supported release of Kubuntu (3.5 is not available anymore, right?).

So, my point is, either make sure that such annoying stuff does not appear on an official release OR keep the 'beta' status and provide 3.5 as the standard environment (as it was the case with 8.04). Many many user will be turned down by such things and most of the people will not take the time and looking for a solution for something like zipping a file (I'm astonished that the forum is not flooded alreday from such complains).

Two consequences: It's still not useable for Joe the plumber (muahaha) and for Mike the early adopter gets turned down and he goes back to his XP or OSX (maybe, if he is like Squirrel the Linux promoter he goes back to 8.04 with KDE 3.5).

Maybe a bit harsh, but in the end it's like that, isn't it? In my opinion that is the unnecessary part. I don't know, dibl, whether you have some connections to the KDE and the Kubuntu developers, but I guess you have some weight, maybe you can influence that a bit?

[aged hippy]

Re: Want my Konqueror back

Agree on this, BUT now it is 4.1 and not 4.0 and I have no choice IF I would like to use the newest official and supported release of Kubuntu (3.5 is not available anymore, right?).

Install Hardy, that is 3.5.10.

[squirrel]

Re: Want my Konqueror back

Buddy, I just upgraded from there and downgraded back again, but that was not my point.