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    Hardy experience

    I decided to try out hardy a few days ago, so burned the KDE 3.5.9 version of hardy and installed. Everything worked fine until my internet connection died, after reboot it was up again, then mouse and keyboard didn't respond (I could see activity on the open windows so not a system freeze, and pressing the power button resulted in the shut down screen).
    Weird things, and a couple of searches later I found bug reports on all the problems I had, but no solutions. So I thought I'd download another dist to try out, downloaded opensuse 11 and tried to burn it, no luck after 5% complete k3b reports write error, have no idea why that happened.

    Well I finally got fed up and reinstalled Kubuntu 7.10, and everything works great

    Now I'm wondering is the open source community taking after microsoft? Final release = alpha, first major update = beta and if lucky second major update = final? I'm just a bit dissapointed that I can't run the newest Kubuntu and just ranting a bit. I hope that hardy will become stable and usuable soon
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    Re: Hardy experience

    I am certainly sorry to hear all your troubles.

    As for the details, I'm not sure what I can tell you. I've been using Hardy (w/ KDE 3.5.9) for a little over a month without running into any issues. I've always been a Red Hat / Fedora guy, and this is my first Ubuntu/Kubuntu distro. If I'd run into problems with it like you did, I am sure I would have ranted and gotten right back to Fedora.
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      Re: Hardy experience

      Originally posted by daihard
      I am certainly sorry to hear all your troubles.

      As for the details, I'm not sure what I can tell you. I've been using Hardy (w/ KDE 3.5.9) for a little over a month without running into any issues. I've always been a Red Hat / Fedora guy, and this is my first Ubuntu/Kubuntu distro. If I'd run into problems with it like you did, I am sure I would have ranted and gotten right back to Fedora.
      I'm a noob (relatively) to linux. The issues with 4.0 or even 4.1 are numerous. KDE 4.1 is a step back. Why release before all functionality is there. Looks better? Questionable. More functionality? not apparent. Greater ease of use? No.

      Why then release at this time. I have old HW I was very much looking to HH/4.1 to revive it. Disappointing.

      Not complaining too much .............. this version should just have been delayed till all functionality was available.
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        Re: Hardy experience

        Originally posted by DennisOS2
        Not complaining too much .............. this version should just have been delayed till all functionality was available.
        And how then, would the developers get the user feedback that is an integral component of the Open Source method of software development?
        Windows no longer obstructs my view.
        Using Kubuntu Linux since March 23, 2007.
        "It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data." - Sherlock Holmes​
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          Re: Hardy experience

          Originally posted by Snowhog
          Originally posted by DennisOS2
          Not complaining too much .............. this version should just have been delayed till all functionality was available.
          And how then, would the developers get the user feedback that is an integral component of the Open Source method of software development?
          Snowhog: Absolutely correct (as usual)

          DennisOS2: Yes, KDE4.x was released too early... kind of. It was released while still in alpha/beta in order to get more feedback, therefor getting more bugs and functionality taken care of quicker. Yes, the version numbers for KDE4.x are kind of lies. I believe they plan on making 4.2 their final release. If this is their plan, maybe they'll also release The Hitchhiker's Guide To KDE4 along with it. (sorry about the Douglas Adams joke)

          Originally posted by Blara
          Weird things, and a couple of searches later I found bug reports on all the problems I had, but no solutions.
          Blara: Could you maybe supply bug numbers and/or links to the reports? If nothing else, it could give more exposure to the bugs here and possibly get them resolved faster.
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            Re: Hardy experience

            All this is true, and it still comes down to the fact that Kubuntu was stuck between that proverbial rock and hard place. Kubuntu doesn't exist without KDE. KDE is moving to a new base with the 3.x version not in development mode (except for the usual unusual reasons) and the 4.x version being the new baseline. Sorry, but a new baseline in software is like a newborn baby. The parts may all be there but they don't always work right together, so "accidents" will happen. It takes time and 4.2 will probably be a lot better than 4.1 or 4.0.

            If you don't like 4.x, then stay with the more stable 3.5.9 endgame. But in the meantime, file bugs for everything wrong that happens. The bugs will either be disproved or will make the next iteration better. I still have a bug on 7.10 that's being worked.
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              Re: Hardy experience

              also, just to try and clarify a little bit, KDE4 is still in development... the subsequent releases such as 4.1 and such are still unstable and are usually for the more knowledgeable Linux users for testing and bug reporting purposes. If you are new to Kubuntu, I would stick with KDE 3.5.9 until the KDE4 "final" release is issued.
              &quot;Either you repeat the same conventional doctrines everybody is saying, or else you say something true, and it will sound like it&#39;s from Neptune.&quot; ~Noam Chomsky<br /><br />Gigabyte MB, AMD 64x2 6000, 2 Gigs Patriot DDR2, XFX GeForce 8600GT XXX, 400Gig WD SATA HDD &amp; 1TB WD SATA HDD.
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                Re: Hardy experience

                Have to agree. Hardy Heron 8.04 running KDE 3.5.9 is simply rock solid - period! While I'm routinely booting into HH running KDE 4.1.00, it still lacks much of the functionality present in KDE 3.5.9.
                Windows no longer obstructs my view.
                Using Kubuntu Linux since March 23, 2007.
                "It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data." - Sherlock Holmes​
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                  Re: Hardy experience

                  I installed HH with kde 4.0 on a second machine, and then installed kde 3.5.x from adept along with compiz and everything is working great. Compiz worked without a hitch! . I am so impressed with how HH is running I am now going to install it on my main box. Kde 4.0 has a long way to go for my liking. It runs fine but there are some things missing that I would like to see before going to it full time. Like panel hiding and external task bar. More complete application menus.
                  I tried Enlightenment once, it was pretty cool.
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                    Re: Hardy experience

                    I've been using KDE 4 since beta and I REALLY dont' see what's lacking. Other than not beable to customize Panel as much as you can customize Kicker I just don't get it. I have zero issues with KDE4, it's MUCH faster, MUCH prettier, and doesn't "not do" anything that I need. I've used it in production and casual enviornments.. 4.0 was very limited but my updated 4.1 is rock'n.

                    Kev
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                      #11
                      Re: Hardy experience

                      I also have not had any problems with my HH KDE4.0.
                      But, for the average user or 'noob', it is probably just safer to stick with the 3.5.9 until more of the bugs have been worked out in 4.x.
                      Just my opinion.
                      &quot;Either you repeat the same conventional doctrines everybody is saying, or else you say something true, and it will sound like it&#39;s from Neptune.&quot; ~Noam Chomsky<br /><br />Gigabyte MB, AMD 64x2 6000, 2 Gigs Patriot DDR2, XFX GeForce 8600GT XXX, 400Gig WD SATA HDD &amp; 1TB WD SATA HDD.
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