Laptop wont shut down

[Gumper]

Re: Laptop wont shut down

Still no luck for me with getting this thing to shutdown. I even tried installing the restricted ATI drivers and then the patch found on Launchpad. No luck at all. The only way that it will shutdown is with "sudo shutdown now" command, or once I get the black screen, I momentarily press the main power button. Then it continues to shutdown and I see the splash screen.

Could anyone point me to something that I can check to possibly find out what is causing this problem? Are there any log files to check or anything like that? I'm desperate. I'll try anything.

Thanks

[Odur]

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Does it still hang on black screen if you kill atieventsd before trying to shutdown? If it does you probably have another bug than the one that the patch tries to resolve.

[Gumper]

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I just gave this a try and I get the same results It's kinda weird that It hangs until I momentarily press the power button. Once I do that it continues to shutdown.

Does it still hang on black screen if you kill atieventsd before trying to shutdown? If it does you probably have another bug than the one that the patch tries to resolve.

[kezzerdrix]

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This is driving me crazy. I switched back to Ubuntu and when the screen would go to sleep or screensaver the system would lock up. I gave a detailed explanation and no one answered it. Kubuntu does everything right except it wont shut down correctly.

I installed envy through synaptic and it wont work either it just throws errors and dies.

This however is the lesser of two evils. I think openSuse works fine, just they don't have all the software and the community is kind of terse.

I could always revert to 7.10 everything worked there, I just wanted the updates and the new goodies.

Has anyone figured out a solution that works.

[kezzerdrix]

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I even went to amd and downloaded the latest drivers. It still wont shut down on its own, in dual monitor mode it will not do screensavers, in fact if you even open the screensaver option box it just states it is loading .... forever.

I thought it was an issue with ati and gnome so I tried kubuntu and it appears to be an issue with ati and kde 3.5.9.... probably not something else changed from 7.10 to 8.04

[Enunes]

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Another victim here

[quisoc]

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And another...

[squirrel]

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Another: Dell M1330 with Nvidia Go 8400M GS

When I push the on/off button shortly (not the emergency 10sec shutdown) it shuts down.

[Snowhog]

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If you remove the quiet kernel line option from /boot/grub/menu.lst and reboot, you get to see all of the boot messages. Likewise, when you perform a shutdown, you get to see all the shutdown messages. On a laptop, you are going to see that there are two messages at the very end of the process, the last one being "System Halted"

At this point, all running processes have been stopped, and the kernel is waiting for the operator to tell it what to do next. At this point, you could type "sudo shutdown -r now" to reboot the system. Or, as you have experienced, you press the power off button for a second or so to turn the laptop off.

The underlying command that is executed with the shutdown sequence is:

shutdown -h

man shutdown tells us:

-h Requests that the system be either halted or powered off after
it has been brought down, with the choice as to which left up to
the system.

[squirrel]

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Ok, but that's not the supposed behavior, right? :P

BTW: I was able to crash X11 with some little modification so it did not start anymore into the GUI (besides the Bulletproof X promise), after a 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' and a 'sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart' it did work again

[Snowhog]

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Ok, but that's not the supposed behavior, right? :P

Actually, I think it is (for laptops any way?). Bear in mind, that when you inform the kernel that you want to 'shutdown,' you are telling it you want to shutdown the OS. man shutdown does show you that the option -P (shutdown -P) tells the kernel to:

-P Requests that the system be powered off after it has been
brought down.

The 'problem' is in K Menu > System Settings > Advanced > Login Manager > Shutdown > Commands There you will note that Halt runs /sbin/poweroff and Reboot runs /sbin/reboot

However, /sbin/poweroff is a link to /sbin/reboot, and /sbin/reboot is a compiled executable file (so it can't be edited). I'm not (yet) comfortable with writing bash scripts, but one could be written in the /sbin directory that contained the shutdown -P command, saving it as say, turnoff, and use it instead. That should result in the laptop being turned off after the system is brought down.

[squirrel]

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Actually, I think it is (for laptops any way?). Bear in mind, that when you inform the kernel that you want to 'shutdown,' you are telling it you want to shutdown the OS. man shutdown does show you that the option -P (shutdown -P) tells the kernel to:

-P Requests that the system be powered off after it has been
brought down.

Pardon me, but I doubt that. First, because this didn't happen with 7.10 and second because when I'm telling the system to shutdown (not logout) it should do 'shutdown -h 0' and nothing else. That's a desktop linux, isn't it?

[Snowhog]

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But as I stated, and man shutdown shows, the -h option leaves it up to the system (OS) to decide if it's going to 'halt' or 'power off' the system. That it did as you expected in 7.10 and it isn't doing it in 8.04 is more of an indication that the programmers 'changed' something. It's quite possible that in 7.10 the underlying command was shutdown -P and not shutdown -h.

[squirrel]

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Oops, sorry I did not read carefully. Nevertheless, in my opinion, it's a bug.

[Snowhog]

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... in my opinion, it's a bug.

Keep in mind, a 'bug' is an observed behavior of a function or program that isn't what was 'programmed' to do. If, as I said, the action of the shutdown routine has been changed from -P to -h, then what is happening is by design, and therefore, not a bug. An annoyance? Yes, but not a bug.