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**heinkel_111** · Feb 27, 2008, 10:51 PM

Re: Kaffeine update safe?

Well, I qam writing this from the windows side of my double-boot because a recent language pack update has crippled my kubuntu

I am going to start updating conservatively (like weeks after release)! (K)ubuntu update testing is obviously not rigorous at this time.

**randcoop** · Feb 28, 2008, 12:37 AM

Re: Kaffeine update safe?

Indeed. It's a huge disappointment. I posted this and received only one reply and that was not directly about the kaffeine updates.

I posted the identical message on the Ubuntu forums and got three responses in a few hours.

The warning from there was that you should not upgrade to kaffeine 0.8.6 using the updater, since it indeed cripples kaffeine users of the kaffeine-xine engine.

Kubuntu developers or whomever works the update side seem utterly uninterested or unconcerned about problems like this. It is a serious flaw in the Kubuntu system.

**Teunis** · Feb 28, 2008, 03:11 AM

Re: Kaffeine update safe? WARNING!

I normally never use Kaffeine as I think MPlayer and VLC have better format support and superior keyboard access.

But I've accepted yesterdays update including the removal of the Xine-engine.

Kaffeine now works better than ever and it is apparently still using the Xine-engine, so your guess that it's build into the new release of Kaffeine seems to be correct.

**randcoop** · Feb 28, 2008, 04:38 AM

Re: Kaffeine update safe? WARNING!

I'm not sure that it will work for everyone. Here's the thread in Ubuntu forums with at least two posts that say upgrading will break Kaffeine:

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=709707

**Rog131** · Feb 28, 2008, 06:46 AM

Re: Kaffeine update safe? WARNING!

Does anyone know why it removes kaffeine-xine 0.8.5 but doesn't upgrade it to 0.8.6? Is this update safe? Will Kaffeine still work using the xine engine? Does 0.8.6 have kaffeine-xine built in?

Package: kaffeine-xine (0.8.5-0ubuntu1) has:
http://packages.ubuntu.com/gutsy/i38...-xine/filelist

/usr/lib/kde3/libxinepart.la
/usr/lib/kde3/libxinepart.so
/usr/share/doc/kaffeine-xine/AUTHORS
/usr/share/doc/kaffeine-xine/README
/usr/share/doc/kaffeine-xine/TODO
/usr/share/doc/kaffeine-xine/changelog.Debian.gz
/usr/share/doc/kaffeine-xine/changelog.gz
/usr/share/doc/kaffeine-xine/copyright
/usr/share/services/xine_part.desktop

Kaffeine (0.8.6-0ubuntu1) has (among other things):

/usr/lib/kde3/libxinepart.la
/usr/lib/kde3/libxinepart.so

=> No need for kaffeine-xine

and Ubuntu Changelog tells:

kaffeine (0.8.5-1ubuntu2) hardy; urgency=low

* Remove depends on kaffeine-xine

-- Jonathan Riddell <jriddell@ubuntu.com> Wed, 28 Nov 2007 20:37:29 +0000

Note
Gutsy backports have kaffeine 0.8.6-0ubuntu3~gutsy1. I have 0.8.6-0ubuntu1, compiled from Hardy repos. Working fine, so i don't upgrade to the 0.8.6-0ubuntu3~gutsy1 version.

Kubuntu developers or whomever works the update side seem utterly uninterested or unconcerned about problems like this. It is a serious flaw in the Kubuntu system.

It seems that you are using backport repositories. Standard Gutsy repositories have kaffeine 0.8.5-0ubuntu1.

From UbuntuBackports
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports

Stability

However, given the nature of introducing newer versioned packages from a development distribution into a stable, released distribution, problems can arise. The most common side-effects would be a bug that escaped testing, or a new configuration file format (or other kind of incompatibility). If you have problems with a Backports package please report it in the Backports bugtracker and not the main Ubuntu one.

About upgrading

The dangers of automatic updates
http://www.linux.com/feature/119162

Anyway, many desktop users don't know better. Why should they, when the automatic installation of the updater and its menu items encourage them to think that adding every new update to their system is standard procedure? They don't know enough to read the bug lists for every package on their system, and most of them wouldn't take the time to do so anyway.

Other problems (with backport versions):

Topic: [SOLVED] Video's don't play anymore
http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/inde...opic=3091645.0

Topic: recent problem with kaffeine
http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/inde...opic=3091604.0

Pinning packages

Pinning version
http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/inde...9271#msg109271

You could also downgrade packages (if you already installed unwanted version)

How to downgrade packages (forcing version)
http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/inde...opic=3090553.0

About replies

I posted this and received only one reply and that was not directly about the kaffeine updates.

Topic: General vailability of assistance for KUBUNTU newbies
http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/inde...opic=3088328.0

**randcoop** · Feb 28, 2008, 10:58 AM

Re: Kaffeine update safe? WARNING!

I don't want to start a flame war, and I don't want to post a lengthy reply from which someone might infer that I do want to start a flame war.

I'll make only four points:

My original post was a question about the kaffeine upgrade because I didn't understand it; when I didn't get a response I posted the identical message to the Ubuntu forums.

The responses that I got on Ubuntu indicated a problem did indeed exist for at least some users. I got those responses far before I got the responses here.

I am not a newbie. I've been using various Linux distros for nearly as long as its been existed; I've been exclusively Linux for at least three years. I not infrequently reply to inquiries here and on Ubuntu; I respond only when I think I can be of help.

The fact that forums are all volunteer is not a meaningful defense, IMHO, for them not working well. If we're all in this for the common good, then we shouldn't need to point out how wonderful we are for having that characteristic.

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