What is the thing u want or expect in HARDY HERON(next release)??

[kubicle]

Re: What is the thing u want or expect in HARDY HERON(next release)??

... but i find that if i try to remove KTips, it will cause kde-core and kdebase to also go, and if i try to remove PrintJobs (as i don't have a printer) not only is kde-print going, but also kde-core and kdebase, and kubuntu-desktop into the bargain.

kde-core and kdebase are 'metapackages' and contain only pointers to other packages. Having another package you are uninstalling, remove a metapackage does no harm to your system. If you check Adept Manager, you will probably notice, like it is in mine, that kde-core and kdebase are not marked as installed.

You mean they aren't installed in the default installation. They are installed on aged hippy's machine, otherwise the package managers wouldn't try to remove them if a dependency (like ktip) is marked to be removed :P

@aged hippy
That being said, the metapackages are safe to remove, they contain 'no' data in themselves (except some information about themselves like a readme and changelog). You can check this by looking at package details in Synaptic or Adept, the list of 'installed files' is quite short.

The effects of removing metapackages are:
1. Packages that have been installed as meta-package dependencies, will be marked as 'autoremovable dependencies' and can be removed with synaptic or the 'autoremove' option of apt-get
2. Sometimes new dependencies are added to metapackages (common with kubuntu-desktop in new releases of kubuntu for example), if you don't have the metapackage installed, those additions don't get installed automatically (strigi and gdebi were added to gutsy kubuntu-desktop, for example)...if you have kubuntu-desktop removed, it is a good idea to either reinstall it when upgrading to a new release version or to check what would be installed with it in the new version and select what you want for installation.

Anyway, kde-core and kdebase metapackages are not installed on kubuntu default installation (you've probably installed kde-core yourself, and it depends on kdebase), and they will get removed if any of the packages they depend on is removed (by definition). They are, as mentioned, safe to remove, though. You might wish to hang on to kubuntu-desktop, but it's not necessary for kubuntu to work...I don't have it installed on any of my machines.

[cantab]

Re: What is the thing u want or expect in HARDY HERON(next release)??

there's one thing that's not reliable enough:
- microphones (only the integrated one seems to work...but not always...)

There's no reason at all why a microphone shouldn't work, unless it's USB perhaps. Check your mixer settings (KMix), chances are it's muted by default. KMix does sometimes seem to name things a bit weirdly - on my current machine, 'Master' has no effect whatsoever! 'Headphone' does.

[ashleycrue]

Re: What is the thing u want or expect in HARDY HERON(next release)??

Just one thing,
make so that there is no problems installing!!
Up till 7.10 there was no problems no there is. I've noticed a lot problems with this recently and even installing earlier versions doesn't work.

[aged hippy]

Re: What is the thing u want or expect in HARDY HERON(next release)??

@ kubicle,
Thank you - and cantab and Snowhog - for the help, but Snowhog suggested i try removing kdebase & kde-core via apt simulate, and i have done so -- successfully.
I've checked kubuntu-desktop with Synaptic and it seems to think that it's safe to remove, but as it's only 45.1kb i'll leave it.

Having just checked the copy-&-paste texts i took (as a precaution) from the console, 239Mb were removed - mostly the KDE games and some fonts, etc.
The only things i've found necessary to re-install so far are kthesaurus and kteatimecooker.

Thank you all for your guidance and time.

[marshallbanana]

Re: What is the thing u want or expect in HARDY HERON(next release)??

*looks up kteatime*
dude, I can't believe someone actually coded up an app for just that purpose. That is awesome.

[aged hippy]

Re: What is the thing u want or expect in HARDY HERON(next release)??

*looks up kteatime*
dude, I can't believe someone actually coded up an app for just that purpose. That is awesome.

I couldn't live without it, my kettle is broken so i boil water for tea or coffee in a small saucepan...... it doesn't switch itself off.

[integr8e]

Re: What is the thing u want or expect in HARDY HERON(next release)??

OK, so I finished all my finals for this semester, downloaded the new KDE4 rc2 .iso from the Kubuntu website, rigged it to run in a virtual machine (VMWare Player), and guess what - it works like a charm, and . . . THERE ARE KEYBOARD SHORTCUTS FOR COPY AND PASTE IN KONSOLE (Ctrl+Shift+C and Ctrl+Shift+V)!!! This has been something I've wanted for a while, and they're finally giving to me (us) I'm so excited

P.S. You can scratch my suggestion for Konsole keyboard shortcuts off the to-do list (if it was there)

[Snowhog]

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Assuming of course, that this makes into the final release.

[integr8e]

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True :P It's really coming around, though. Everything - with a few exceptions - seems to be working as it should, the graphics are awesome, and it's becoming very user-friendly (they've even included a sub-menu in KMenu called "My Computer" - very likely for Windows migrants like myself). I'm really liking the looks of it, I think it will be very successful.

[Snowhog]

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I was (and still am) surprised that the short-cut 'copy' command from a terminal wasn't available! How short-sighted of the developers!!

I use a terminal a fair amount (old 'DOS' advocate), finding it quite useful in many situations. Hopefully, this 'new' feature will be retained.

[integr8e]

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I never was a big fan of the command line using Windows (always curious of it, though); I was lucky - depending on how you look at it - in that my first introduction to any OS was Windows 3.1, which included the all-too-well-and-only-known GUI. But, I've been converted and now use it quite frequently too

[Fenyx]

Re: What is the thing u want or expect in HARDY HERON(next release)??

Hm... how do I begin to say this... Konsole in KDE 3 has always had the ability to have keyboard shortcuts for Copy and Paste. In fact, the default shortcut for paste is Shift+Insert. The only things different in Konsole 4 are that the Copy and Paste options are available in the Edit menu (in Konsole 3 it's only in the right-click/context menu) and that Copy has a default keybinding to Ctrl+Shift+C (it can't be Ctrl+C, so it was left to the user to pick his/her own). So yeah, it has always been there in Konsole 3. So that's not something particularly new. :P

What's new in Konsole 4 is the ability to click on URL's inside Konsole an have them open in Konqueror and to split views (but in a very, very weird way).

EDIT: Oh, and in Konsole 4, crash one Konsole window, crash them all.

[Snowhog]

Re: What is the thing u want or expect in HARDY HERON(next release)??

Sorry to disagree, but opening a console shell and clicking on Edit, the Copy shows no keyboard shortcut. If there is one, it isn't identified on the Console File menu.

[integr8e]

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I found you can edit it, but it's not enabled by default :P

[Snowhog]

Re: What is the thing u want or expect in HARDY HERON(next release)??

In Gutsy?? Pray, how to do so? And, if done, does the Menu show the shortcut command?