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    is the fault KDE or at the root files ?

    i love kubuntu its wicked, however i thought my graph card
    was working good but i dont think it is although it is. ill explain

    i install google earth under KDE it would not work it moan about
    my card was not 3D or somehting like that.
    anyway i few days later i thought i will load up gnome ubuntu cd, i always heard
    about gnome but never tried it.
    when i load it up i could see the graphic was much better and compiz
    was kicking hot.
    at this point i thought, hey this only work with 3D cards so i installed
    google earth again and this time it work.

    i cant get to grips with gnome though the work flow of configuring
    and finding stuff was a pain for me so im back with KDE

    ok, my card is old. its a ATI 9200 se and im running a PC.

    why is it so difficult for KDE to sort my card out and gnome have no
    problem with it ?

    does anyone here have a 9200 ATI thats working under KDE with 3D
    and if so how did you manage to get it going ?

    when KDE 4 be fully ready and does anyone know whether KDE 4
    will be any much better then the KDE we are on now ?

    thanks for helping me out
    NT
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    #2
    Re: is the fault KDE or at the root files ?

    Are you using the proper driver for your card?
    For external use only.
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      #3
      Re: is the fault KDE or at the root files ?

      may be no and to tell you the truth im pretty much
      lost.
      some sites says that ATI no longer support the 9200 card
      then are sites over burden with info about installing the ATI
      cards most of those site only cover newer cards and the rest
      of the rest seems to say how difficult it is to get the 9200 working.

      i tried a few times to install the driver but it never works so currently
      the card has the basic driver form kubuntu distro CD.

      the thing i find funny though is this.
      ubuntu makes kubuntu and ubuntu one is KDE the other is Gnome.
      how is it that Gnome gets the my driver right striaght from the get go
      but KDE cant.

      im thinking the only difference is the desktop environment but the root
      files on both distros shouldn't it be the same?

      weird stuff
      NT
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        #4
        Re: is the fault KDE or at the root files ?

        Dunno.

        Anyway, if you want to get 3D graphics working properly, you have two drivers to choose from: the less-functional but easily available open-source radeon driver, or the more-functional but harder-to-track-down older version of the fglrx proprietary driver.
        For external use only.
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          #5
          Re: is the fault KDE or at the root files ?

          I have a radeon 9250 pro card running 3D with no problems.
          Try running
          Code:
          glxgears
          in a terminal at post the results.

          For comparison here is my xorg.config file to be found at /etc/X11/xorg.conf:

          Section "Files"
          FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/X11/misc"
          FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/X11/cyrillic"
          FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi/:unscaled"
          FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi/:unscaled"
          FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/X11/Type1"
          FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi"
          FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi"
          # path to defoma fonts
          FontPath "/var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/TrueType"
          EndSection

          Section "Module"
          Load "i2c"
          Load "bitmap"
          Load "ddc"
          Load "dri"
          Load "extmod"
          Load "freetype"
          Load "glx"
          Load "int10"
          Load "vbe"
          EndSection

          Section "InputDevice"
          Identifier "Generic Keyboard"
          Driver "kbd"
          Option "CoreKeyboard"
          Option "XkbRules" "xorg"
          Option "XkbModel" "pc105"
          Option "XkbLayout" "ch"
          Option "XkbVariant" "de_nodeadkeys"
          EndSection

          Section "InputDevice"
          Identifier "Configured Mouse"
          Driver "mouse"
          Option "CorePointer"
          Option "Device" "/dev/input/mice"
          Option "Protocol" "ImPS/2"
          Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"
          Option "Emulate3Buttons" "true"
          EndSection

          Section "InputDevice"
          Driver "wacom"
          Identifier "stylus"
          Option "Device" "/dev/input/wacom"
          Option "Type" "stylus"
          Option "ForceDevice" "ISDV4" # Tablet PC ONLY
          EndSection

          Section "InputDevice"
          Driver "wacom"
          Identifier "eraser"
          Option "Device" "/dev/input/wacom"
          Option "Type" "eraser"
          Option "ForceDevice" "ISDV4" # Tablet PC ONLY
          EndSection

          Section "InputDevice"
          Driver "wacom"
          Identifier "cursor"
          Option "Device" "/dev/input/wacom"
          Option "Type" "cursor"
          Option "ForceDevice" "ISDV4" # Tablet PC ONLY
          EndSection

          Section "Device"
          Identifier "ATI Technologies Inc RV280 [Radeon 9200 PRO]"
          Driver "ati"
          BusID "PCI:1:0:0"
          EndSection

          Section "Monitor"
          Identifier "Acer AL1951"
          Option "DPMS"
          EndSection

          Section "Screen"
          Identifier "Default Screen"
          Device "ATI Technologies Inc RV280 [Radeon 9200 PRO]"
          Monitor "Acer AL1951"
          DefaultDepth 24
          SubSection "Display"
          Depth 1
          Modes "1280x1024" "1152x864" "1024x768" "832x624" "800x600" "720x400" "640x480"
          EndSubSection
          SubSection "Display"
          Depth 4
          Modes "1280x1024" "1152x864" "1024x768" "832x624" "800x600" "720x400" "640x480"
          EndSubSection
          SubSection "Display"
          Depth 8
          Modes "1280x1024" "1152x864" "1024x768" "832x624" "800x600" "720x400" "640x480"
          EndSubSection
          SubSection "Display"
          Depth 15
          Modes "1280x1024" "1152x864" "1024x768" "832x624" "800x600" "720x400" "640x480"
          EndSubSection
          SubSection "Display"
          Depth 16
          Modes "1280x1024" "1152x864" "1024x768" "832x624" "800x600" "720x400" "640x480"
          EndSubSection
          SubSection "Display"
          Depth 24
          Modes "1280x1024" "1152x864" "1024x768" "832x624" "800x600" "720x400" "640x480"
          EndSubSection
          EndSection

          Section "ServerLayout"
          Identifier "Default Layout"
          Screen "Default Screen"
          InputDevice "Generic Keyboard"
          InputDevice "Configured Mouse"
          InputDevice "stylus" "SendCoreEvents"
          InputDevice "cursor" "SendCoreEvents"
          InputDevice "eraser" "SendCoreEvents"
          EndSection

          Section "DRI"
          Mode 0666
          EndSection
          yours should be similar here:
          Section "Module"
          Load "i2c"
          Load "bitmap"
          Load "ddc"
          Load "dri"
          Load "extmod"
          Load "freetype"
          Load "glx"
          Load "int10"
          Load "vbe"
          EndSection
          and here:
          Section "Device"
          Identifier "ATI Technologies Inc RV280 [Radeon 9200 PRO]"
          Driver "ati"
          BusID "PCI:1:0:0"
          EndSection
          Have a look and lets see what is wrong
          HP Pavilion dv6 core i7 (Main)
          4 GB Ram
          Kubuntu 18.10
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            #6
            Re: is the fault KDE or at the root files ?

            thanks for the replies

            hi fintan here is the xorg.conf file
            yours has got more modules stuff
            going on.
            i ran the command "glxgears" and i
            saw 3 gears spinning at the top left
            corner of the screen.

            thanks for helping
            NT



            Section "Files"
            EndSection

            Section "InputDevice"
            Identifier "Generic Keyboard"
            Driver "kbd"
            Option "CoreKeyboard"
            Option "XkbRules" "xorg"
            Option "XkbModel" "pc105"
            Option "XkbLayout" "se"
            EndSection

            Section "InputDevice"
            Identifier "Configured Mouse"
            Driver "mouse"
            Option "CorePointer"
            Option "Device" "/dev/input/mice"
            Option "Protocol" "ImPS/2"
            Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"
            Option "Emulate3Buttons" "true"
            EndSection

            Section "InputDevice"
            Driver "wacom"
            Identifier "stylus"
            Option "Device" "/dev/input/wacom"
            Option "Type" "stylus"
            Option "ForceDevice" "ISDV4" # Tablet PC ONLY
            EndSection

            Section "InputDevice"
            Driver "wacom"
            Identifier "eraser"
            Option "Device" "/dev/input/wacom"
            Option "Type" "eraser"
            Option "ForceDevice" "ISDV4" # Tablet PC ONLY
            EndSection

            Section "InputDevice"
            Driver "wacom"
            Identifier "cursor"
            Option "Device" "/dev/input/wacom"
            Option "Type" "cursor"
            Option "ForceDevice" "ISDV4" # Tablet PC ONLY
            EndSection

            Section "Device"
            Identifier "ATI Technologies Inc RV280 [Radeon 9200 SE]"
            Driver "ati"
            BusID "PCI:1:0:0"
            VideoRam 65536
            Option "UseFBDev" "true"
            EndSection

            Section "Monitor"
            Identifier "Generic Monitor"
            Option "DPMS"
            HorizSync 28-51
            VertRefresh 43-60
            EndSection

            Section "Screen"
            Identifier "Default Screen"
            Device "ATI Technologies Inc RV280 [Radeon 9200 SE]"
            Monitor "Generic Monitor"
            DefaultDepth 24
            SubSection "Display"
            Modes "1024x768"
            EndSubSection
            EndSection

            Section "ServerLayout"
            Identifier "Default Layout"
            Screen "Default Screen"
            InputDevice "Generic Keyboard"
            InputDevice "Configured Mouse"

            # Uncomment if you have a wacom tablet
            # InputDevice "stylus" "SendCoreEvents"
            # InputDevice "cursor" "SendCoreEvents"
            # InputDevice "eraser" "SendCoreEvents"
            EndSection
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              #7
              Re: is the fault KDE or at the root files ?

              Recent tests:

              ATI Open vs. Closed-Source Performance
              http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?pag...item=903&num=1

              ATI Open vs. Closed-Source AIGLX Performance
              http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?pag...item=900&num=1
              Before you edit, BACKUP !

              Why there are dead links ?
              1. Thread: Please explain how to access old kubuntu forum posts
              2. Thread: Lost Information
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                #8
                Re: is the fault KDE or at the root files ?

                I had a computer with a Radeon 9200 runing compiz without problems.

                The main difference between your xorg.conf and mine are those two lines.

                Code:
                  VideoRam  65536
  Option   "UseFBDev"   "true"
                I don't have neither. I suspect that specially the second one can be the cause of troubles.

                Finally this is not about KDE and Gnome, but about the clear superiority of the Ubuntu system tools over the Kubuntu ones. I'm lately doing the unspeakable (well done it once). I'm installing Ubuntu to setup a system and apt-getting kubuntu-desktop .

                Javier.
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                  #9
                  Re: is the fault KDE or at the root files ?

                  I'm installing Ubuntu to setup a system and apt-getting kubuntu-desktop Wink
                  is that a good idea.... to have gnome and kde installed, wouldnt that cause a lot of
                  double applications for kde and gnome.
                  it seems like a good way to make my g/card work but thats a high price to pay for doubles and clutter in the menus.

                  or have i misread your post.

                  NT
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                    #10
                    Re: is the fault KDE or at the root files ?

                    Well, you'd have everything for GNOME and KDE, so yes, you'd have a bit of redundancy.
                    However, I'd probably uninstall "gnome-desktop-environment" and its dependencies after making sure KDE works.
                    For external use only.
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                      #11
                      Re: is the fault KDE or at the root files ?

                      Originally posted by tuxulin-nox
                      is that a good idea.... to have gnome and kde installed, wouldnt that cause a lot of
                      double applications for kde and gnome.
                      it seems like a good way to make my g/card work but thats a high price to pay for doubles and clutter in the menus.
                      To get your g/card work, you can try to delete that two lines from your xorg.conf. BTW, the machine that has the Radeon 9200 has been installed directly with Kubuntu 6.06 and upgraded along a year to 7.10. No Gnome on it.

                      The idea to install Ubuntu and them KDE was just a philosophical answer to your KDE question. An the answer is yes. You get a lot duplicate programs and some menu clutter. The important apps that I use are the same in both desktops (openoffice, firefox, thunderbird), but I have Gedit and Kedit, mixed system tools, etc...

                      But I love KDE, and I love the easiest "Pure Ubuntu" system management, so... I did this in my last laptop.

                      Javier.
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