Compiz fusion

[capricorn]

I did read today that in the "Ubuntu" version of Gutsy GIbbons will have Compiz as default.

I did as well read that the release file of Kubuntu does not mention anywhere something like that.

That, I suppose, means that there WON'T be a support for it "out of the box". >

Can someone confirm me this?

[disturbedite]

Re: Compiz fusion

actually you are sort of wrong. a goal for gutsy is to have compiz fusion by default, its NOT a given. its been a goal of the last three *ubuntu releases! mark shuttleworth even said in a previous blog (i believe) that compiz or beryl (obviously compiz fusion now) wouldn't even be likely for the next (gutsy) *ubuntu release. its just been that a goal has been established (again)...

but i don't wanna be a party pooper, so lets just hope.

[Robin T Cox]

Re: Compiz fusion

Why do we need Compiz fusion?

[capricorn]

Re: Compiz fusion

Why do we need Compiz fusion?

For the cube.

I do know I am the only human being to be in love with the cube, but in my opinion it is the real breakthrough in OS interface of the last 10 years.

I try to make myself clear.

If you work with multiple desktops, you have this idea of 4 ( or more) different surfaces (like tables) each of whom contains a serie of informations.

Working with this concept is perfectly logic, seen that you cannot (using a flat screen) think of anything different of a surface as work place.

The cube breaks this limit without necessity of a new medium, creating a false 3D space that is absoultely understandable from the point of view of the concept and still retains separate working spaces.

I have still fate that we will have in the near future drivers for touchscreens for Linux and low priced touchscreens ( last time I checked the 15"" were around 300$) permitting me to move the right click of the mouse on the POWER key and use my hand as left button.

Now, imagine the cube in this context and you'll have the answer to why we need Compiz/Beryl...

... Sorry, I rephrase it...

Why I want Compiz

[disturbedite]

Re: Compiz fusion

yeah, i don't use multiple desktops, but the cube kicks ass for that function! as well as others.

[capricorn]

Re: Compiz fusion

As a matter of fact, if the new use of Kwin for the visual effects that we have seen in the last month works as expected, there is no reason to not see a Kube ( :P ) as native app directly under KDE4.

The shiny and special effects could be written as a plugin for superkaramba ( who, if I'm correctly informed, should become a part of Plasma).

I'm really curios to see if the two systems can coexist, buit first of all we need Compiz fusion working natively under GG.

That for the simple reason that in October when KDE4 will be out, it will NOT be a part of Kubuntu and won't be there before the next stable release of Kubuntu itself ( which, if I'm not mistaken, should be in february 2008)

[caryb]

Re: Compiz fusion

As a IT Manager I give a lot of talks with computer demonstrations I love the reaction when you flick through desktops via the cube & see there faces! I get asked how do you find Vista > My response is I wouldn't use it if my life depended on it 8) I have made a few converts just from demo's of Kubuntu in the guise of doing a presentation


Cary

[disturbedite]

Re: Compiz fusion

keep up the evangelism carby.

[Bongo5HH]

Re: Compiz fusion

So the question I have to ask.. and it's really been on my mind since I started playing with Linux..

Who needs 4 desktops? Do you leave things running on each of them That seems like a serious system resource waste to me.

I can almost see how having different desktops with different shortcuts on them might help workflow for doing completely different tasks..

But basically when I'm doing Audio I have audio stuff open.. when I'm doing text editing I have that software open.

I just can't see the value of having 4 desktops.. let alone 4 desktops that spin around on a cube in front of you.. hey looks cool.. sounds cool.. but it's kinda like the silver plastic light lenses you can by for your Dodge Neon at Walmart....

Kev

[Bongo5HH]

Re: Compiz fusion

I should note this though - the user interface enhancements like making the GUI operate more like something that we would experience in the "real world" is great and really does help the user.

For that reason, I'm interested in Comp... but from what I see about KDE4 that's already going to be well advanced.

Kev

[dibl]

Re: Compiz fusion

Who needs 4 desktops? Do you leave things running on each of them That seems like a serious system resource waste to me.

OK, I'll voice respectful disagreement, Kev, to your points, in reverse order:

1. "Waste" -- let's see, the disk is spinning, the CPU and RAM are ticking along, and the monitor is glowing, whether it is one desktop or four. What exactly is it that you are concerned about wasting?

2. "things running" -- YES, VMWare Player 1280x1024 window on one desktop (with a Windows app running in it), Firefox browser on another, a half-done Open Office document on the third, and Amarok on the fourth (where I can see it). Why not?

3. "who needs four desktops?" Hmmmm -- that's actually a very deep question. In former times, perhaps it would have been phrased as "who needs to go 75 mph in an automobile when a train is perfectly serviceable at 40 mph?". Just because the capability to run four desktops had not yet been embedded into some "requirement", doesn't mean that it isn't wanted, appreciated, and enjoyed. Perhaps in the future, it will become "required", if it isn't today.

[Snowhog]

Re: Compiz fusion

Or, forbid, from a Windoze perspective: Think just how cluttered the task bar gets when you have LOTS of applications loaded but minimized. It gets very hard to locate, let remember, what you have running. Multiple desktops, whether on 'the cube' on available from the KDE panel, makes it possible to more efficiently organize running processes.

[caryb]

Re: Compiz fusion

I always use multiple desktops why? because I can! I love having multiple desktops when giving demonstrations it makes it easy to flip between apps 8)

[Bongo5HH]

Re: Compiz fusion

Who needs 4 desktops? Do you leave things running on each of them That seems like a serious system resource waste to me.

OK, I'll voice respectful disagreement, Kev, to your points, in reverse order:

I will respond as respectfully

1. "Waste" -- let's see, the disk is spinning, the CPU and RAM are ticking along, and the monitor is glowing, whether it is one desktop or four. What exactly is it that you are concerned about wasting?

I will direct you to the question that you quoted from me "system resources".

2. "things running" -- YES, VMWare Player 1280x1024 window on one desktop (with a Windows app running in it), Firefox browser on another, a half-done Open Office document on the third, and Amarok on the fourth (where I can see it). Why not?

I'm not talking about why not, I'm asking why? Of what help it could be? Not sure why if you have 4 apps running you need them on 4 desktops? Is it any easier to remember which desktop they are running on than it is to remember which icon means Firefox and which means Amarok?

3. "who needs four desktops?" Hmmmm -- that's actually a very deep question. In former times, perhaps it would have been phrased as "who needs to go 75 mph in an automobile when a train is perfectly serviceable at 40 mph?". Just because the capability to run four desktops had not yet been embedded into some "requirement", doesn't mean that it isn't wanted, appreciated, and enjoyed. Perhaps in the future, it will become "required", if it isn't today.

Have you heard of Strawman arguments? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

I never said it wasn't wanted appreciated and enjoyed.. I'm interested what the need is. YOU MAY BE SURPRISED MR LINUX but maybe people ask questions to get answers instead of being insulted? I know that's a foreign concept on a Linux forum because you know everyone who doesn't know every detail about Linux must be a MS LOVER or just stupid.

Maybe, I know it's a stretch.. but MAYBE if there was a valid reason and you gave it to me that might actually help me!! and then MAYBE I might actually have a better experience with the OS and then MAYBE I might tell someone about it and they MIGHT have a better experience too? OH sheesh why bother with that stuff it's more fun to be snotty isn't it?

:^'

[Bongo5HH]

Re: Compiz fusion

I always use multiple desktops why? because I can! I love having multiple desktops when giving demonstrations it makes it easy to flip between apps 8)

Thanks for a decent reply Caryb