Who's gonna be an early KDE4 adopter?

[janilho]

Re: Who's gonna be an early KDE4 adopter?

Improvements will come faster through the KDE4 series if we send feedback. Also, keep in mind that KDE4 provides compatibility with KDE3 apps (I've tried quite a lot of them without trouble up to now). After several hours using 4.0.0 in Gutsy, my only big concerns are the panel and the kickoff menu, but the overall feel is great.

[cybermm]

Re: Who's gonna be an early KDE4 adopter?

Improvements will come faster through the KDE4 series if we send feedback. Also, keep in mind that KDE4 provides compatibility with KDE3 apps (I've tried quite a lot of them without trouble up to now). After several hours using 4.0.0 in Gutsy, my only big concerns are the panel and the kickoff menu, but the overall feel is great.

Hi guys ,

New menu is already made...but need some more work before it's completly finished... Name is Lancelot,
hier is link to blog : http://ivan.fomentgroup.org/blog/200...-is-launching/

Best regards

Miki

[Fintan]

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Lancelot looks nice, so where is arthur?

[MoonRise]

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Now that's a menu!! That great. When will it be ready?

[Dillinger1969]

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What are the recommended system requirements going to be for kde4. I'm assuming that they are going to be higher then 7:10 kde3.5 ,my question is how much. I think I'm just about at the end of life for this computer. LOL Switching from Windows to Linux give this old thing new life. I just wonder for how much longer?

[Bongo5HH]

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I haven't installed it on my laptop yet but with the incredible speed improvements on my Desktop (AMD X2 5600 4 Gigs RAM) I have to expect it to perform better on lower spec systems than KDE 3.5.8 does - which I'm finding very slow on my laptop.

A "Grub Error 24" marked the end of my linux install on my desktop this morning.. power cable to the HDD was loose.... no amount of repairing has been able to fix it... so I'm going to just take the plunge into KDE4 for real. I'm downloading the LiveCD and will just install the system using that. Why go through the trouble of updating 3.5.8 when I'm probably just going to use 4 anyway?

Kev

[MoonRise]

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I'm downloading the LiveCD and will just install the system using that. Why go through the trouble of updating 3.5.8 when I'm probably just going to use 4 anyway?

Kev

Let us know how that goes. I'm curious but not adventurous at the moment.

[klerfayt]

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I'm waiting for kubuntu hardy with kde4 installation cd

[GliderMike]

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What things do you find lacking in 4 that are polished in 3 now? Other than Screenshots and excitement I'm completely unaware of what's happening with 4.

Well, Lets see. The big issue is customizability. I've now spent a day, trying to change the "Kicker" wallpaper.

Its big, black, and ugly. "Kickoff" looks terrible as well, and I'm not sure about how it works. Give me the Baghira Menu, or KBFX, or Raptor, etc...

There is almost no software available for KDE4. So I don't have anything to take advantage of its extra features.

I do like the enhancements to the Dolphin File Manager, as well as the Oxygen theme.

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Edit: finally started to read the "How Tos"

http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/inde...opic=3090269.0

Look at the USING/CONFIGURING section.

The biggest element of the new GUI, is the Taskbar. It fails. It is Ugly, has limited functionality, and can't even perform drag and drop operations.

That one item has nearly ruined my KDE4 experience. The more I dwell on it, the more I hate it.

I have to agree, it seems much less customizable (lets not go the Gnome route please). KDE 3.5.x customization capabilities could be better organized, but I really like having them. Maybe I just haven't found it all yet in KDE4, so I will state that before accusing.

I absolute hate that menu system. It is 10 times complicated and longer to get to anything. I never liked KFBX either for the same reason. What is so bad about MENU---CATEGERY---PROGRAM. Quick, easy, good. You could still have a "type what you want to find" option for those who actually use it.

Desktop effects are nice but need to be greatly expanded, and hopefully a plug in system. It is nowhere near compiz/Beryl. This item, as with others, I will not harp on too much because this is a brand new release and it needs time yet...that is understood.

I'm just not get a warm and fuzzy yet, but will keep checking and trying to see if it grows on me.

[MoonRise]

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I absolute hate that menu system. It is 10 times complicated and longer to get to anything. I never liked KFBX either for the same reason. What is so bad about MENU---CATEGERY---PROGRAM. Quick, easy, good. You could still have a "type what you want to find" option for those who actually use it.

I kind of agree, but while playing around, they do have another menu system available similar to 3.5.8. It's under the Add Widgets and is called the Traditional Menu. I wish the LiveCD was just a little bit more all inclusive of what KDE4 has to offer. It looks as though I'll have to go the mirror route for now to be able to play around with it. I'm just a little bit on the worried side that it will mess up the 3.5.8 settings if I use it too much (not that's a bad thing, eventually have to go there anyway).

[randcoop]

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I've read all the blogs from the KDE4 developers that explain that they went ahead knowing that it wasn't good enough to be used by most (nearly all?) users. They believe that its development will be faster now that people are using it. It's what most of us think of as an Alpha or Beta release. The KDE people believe that calling something Alpha or Beta shrinks the pool of testers (since only more advanced people will take the chance with those designations). So even though this is really (I think) and Alpha release, they didn't call it Alpha.

What they don't tell you in all the announcements about this "exciting" development:

1. That when you add the ppa repository, the adept_updater program will find dozens of programs in KDE 3.5.8 that need to be updated. That's because the ppa versions are "newer" (though actually the same versions) as the regular Ubuntu versions. So you end up having to update your 3.5.8 as well as installing 4.0.

2. That the kde-core that you install is really very limited. It doesn't install Okular, for example, even though okular (a multi-file-type graphic file viewer) is touted everywhere as one of the big advancements in KDE 4.

3. That you run the risk of having your kernel image file blown away (though a bak file was made or exists). That happened to me. I had to boot into an earlier kernel version, restore the more recent kernel by copying the bak file, and then reboot. It's not the end of the world, but it shouldn't have happened.

4. The default menu is one that no one, not even the mother of it, could love. They don't tell you that you need the Traditional menu (from the Widgets) to make it something usable.

5. That Konqueror will crash as often as it will stay afloat.

6. That the task bar, which is huge and ugly, is un-editable.

7. That many other programs will crash and that in the end you'll run your 3.5.8 versions from within KDE 4.0.

8. That very few people will actually want to use KDE 4.0 for more than a couple of hours at a time.

I've got it installed, but it will be a long time indeed before I use it as a regular and routine desktop. If you decide you want to see it, there's likely no harm. But don't expect much and even then, you might be disappointed.

[MoonRise]

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Hmmm, maybe true, but I will glad to test this out to make it what it has tested to be so far. I've grown to like how 4 works. I've also been testing it in an environment outside of my main, so no loss there.

[Snowhog]

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What they don't tell you in all the announcements about this "exciting" development:

And that, is exactly the problem! To say that the reason they did release it is so that many more (and most will be inexperienced) users will download it and act as Alpha testers, and in the process, likely break otherwise working installations, is at best, negligent on the part of the developers. And is it any wonder therefore, that people refer to Linux as 'for geeks' and not for 'regular people?' If, and it is an if, Linux is to become a serious competitor to M$ or the other mainstream OS's, you can't do this to your user base.

"IF it can't actually be classified as at least a Release Candidate, don't claim it to be!" If you want me to be a guinea pig, then tell me that's what you are expecting of me.

[Bongo5HH]

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I'm waiting for kubuntu hardy with kde4 installation cd

I'm on my laptop with KDE4 right now. It feels snappy, like the laptop does in XP on a fresh install. It's a AMD Turion 64 (1MB L2 1.6Ghz) with 756MB Ram. I haven't really run it much but it's seems to be working just fine.

Kev

[Bongo5HH]

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I guess I'm part of the vocal minority... but I'm loving it. The Menu DOES suck... but other than that I can't really say I dislike anything about it. Sure I'd like to be able to edit Panel but I KNOW that is coming.. it's a non-issue.

All in all it looks really good and it's incredibly fast... stability might be an issue as I go but so far it hasn't been. At least not for me.

Kev