Gutsy Gibbon a Dead Loss?

[MoonRise]

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This time I steered clear of the Adept upgrade tool. Had way too many problems. Used the ALT Install CD. Perfect system from that. I agree that the Adept upgrade tool is way too buggy and I can see why people are aggravated. I hope the Kubuntu developers are seeing these posts. The only real major problem I've had is stated here http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/inde...opic=3087345.0. I don't know why this occurs, but it seems one of those things that was "missed" and shouldn't have been. All in all, Kubuntu Gutsy is a great advancement from Feisty, it is just these little bugs in areas that tend to be critical for first experience (and actually for a 2.5 year user) is really distracting from Kubuntu Gutsy - unfortunately.

[jayson.rowe]

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well, I temporarily jumped ship and tried openSUSE 10.3 when it came out - I had dabbled w/ 10.2 and I had heard great things were coming in 10.3 - boy was I let down! SuSE used to be THE kde distro, now they are more and more Gnome oriented.

Ubuntu is supposed to be THE gnome distro, and Kubuntu works great for me.

BTW, this is all on my laptop - I run Debian Unstable (Because it's Stable ) w/ KDE on my Desktop.

[GUIGuy]

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Are there any happy stories of installing and using 7.10 or should I go elsewhere if I want reliability and stability?

Seems OK to me. I had a samba issue, but only because the geeks wanted me to fart arse about with shells and config files in editors etc. Once I chose to ignore them and rely on kcontrol etc all was well.

I find Dolphin extremely unresponsive when dealing with file and directory properties.

I dropped xgl/ compiz because it made the PC almost unsuable. Anyway, who needs eye candy

cheers

[dibl]

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I get it installed update everything which takes about 20 hours total. everything seems fine. I reboot, everything is fine, I reboot again I get a black screen with a bunch of nonsense. I can't do anything except re-install. I've spent the last two weeks continually re-installing this OS. What the hell am I doing wrong.

What an awful story! What is your hardware -- give more details. You can't just keep doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result -- that would be ..... errrr ... silly!

Is there any chance that you have some kind of hardware problem -- does any other OS run reliably on the same hardware? :P

[Fintan]

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@bustherh

What an awful story! What is your hardware -- give more details.

Yes that would be helpful. Maybe someone here can give you a few pointers

The Alt-CD install went flawlessly. Installed synaptic as usual (adept still cannot replace the stable synaptic, as witnessed by many over the last few days). It told me 6 packages needed updating. Some libs and tzdata (or similar). That was it. No "new version" notices, nada. Great

What frustrates me are three points (concerning the installation):
1) The live installer still does not work correctly as it should. Most people will download the live cd and install from there and if that doesn't work they will be disappointed.
2) Even if the alt-cd usually works fine, hardly anyone knows it.
3) The upgrade function may work better than in the past but it is obviously still buggy.
The instructions are not complete and to some misleading.

I as moonrise and I would think many others hope as well that the developers read these threads.

Luckily, I have updated gutsy since tribe5 so I have a wonderful and stable gutsy. This should not be the path to take but it works.

[heinkel_111]

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well, I temporarily jumped ship and tried openSUSE 10.3 when it came out - I had dabbled w/ 10.2 and I had heard great things were coming in 10.3 - boy was I let down! SuSE used to be THE kde distro, now they are more and more Gnome oriented.

Ubuntu is supposed to be THE gnome distro, and Kubuntu works great for me.

BTW, this is all on my laptop - I run Debian Unstable (Because it's Stable ) w/ KDE on my Desktop.

I can't stand the idea of always updating my operation system. My machine has some hardware issues I have not been able to resolve completely and when kubuntu crashes and locks completely on top of that I feel rather demotivated. For some weeks I have been considering almost the same solution you had: Debian, but I'd do the stable version.
No more crashes, less glitz is ok, as long as it works.

[Fintan]

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For some weeks I have been considering almost the same solution you had: Debian, but I'd do the stable version.
No more crashes, less glitz is ok, as long as it works.

Mepis 7.0 Beta:
http://www.mepis.org/

I am testing it now. Very nice!

[jayson.rowe]

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well, I temporarily jumped ship and tried openSUSE 10.3 when it came out - I had dabbled w/ 10.2 and I had heard great things were coming in 10.3 - boy was I let down! SuSE used to be THE kde distro, now they are more and more Gnome oriented.

Ubuntu is supposed to be THE gnome distro, and Kubuntu works great for me.

BTW, this is all on my laptop - I run Debian Unstable (Because it's Stable ) w/ KDE on my Desktop.

I can't stand the idea of always updating my operation system. My machine has some hardware issues I have not been able to resolve completely and when kubuntu crashes and locks completely on top of that I feel rather demotivated. For some weeks I have been considering almost the same solution you had: Debian, but I'd do the stable version.
No more crashes, less glitz is ok, as long as it works.

I honestly wouldn't recommend Debian "unstable" or "Sid" for most people - especially those who don't have several years of Linux Administration experience...most people that load up Sid "dist-upgrade" way too much - "oh my god, there are new packages, let me update" runs trough their minds. I run unstable, but I only "dist-upgrade" once a month or so, and then only after I've read up to make sure there are no problems.

Another alternative is Sidux which tries to make Sid stable(er) and I've read good things about it, but never tried it myself.

Another option is Debian Testing (currently "Lenny") and it is VERY stable - at least as stable as Etch (stable).

Also heard good things about Mepis 7 coming up - which basically will be an "updated" etch - my only reservation w/ them is it's a one man show, and I personally can't put my trust into that.

[Fintan]

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Also heard good things about Mepis 7 coming up - which basically will be an "updated" etch - my only reservation w/ them is it's a one man show, and I personally can't put my trust into that.

Mepis is very good but it takes a lot of time to get responses from the forum.

IMHO gutsy should have done what drapper did, release a month later.

I see the logic behind tying your release dates to gnome's release dates. Gnome is ubuntu's desktop. KDE is the small brother. But the user satisfaction can and does suffer. Documentation is flaky at best, the upgrades only realy work if you read the documentation and know what you are doing, at least if you are a noobe. And that is the market this disrto has defined itself for.

Having said that this forum is the best forum and *ubuntu has made huge strides in the short time it ha been around. so lets be happy and support this distro as much as we can

[aged hippy]

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Kubuntu 7.10 is - in my opinion - the bee's knees, it knocks the socks off Microsoft Windows.

*However* - i think that a great mistake is made when someone decides to release an upgraded version on "x" date - rather than when it's completed and ready to be released.
There have been many problems recently because 7.10 wasn't really ready to be released - but it seems that it had to be released in order to be 'on time'.
Consequently, several cases of broken upgrades from 7.04 occurred.

This isn't a whinge, but i truly wish that the devs would learn a lesson and say "Bugger the release dates - we'll release it when it's ready"... because it's quite possible that by releasing it too early many new-comers to Linux will in turn say "Bugger this, nothing works properly, i don't even know what a "Konsole" is.... i'm going back to Windows", which - after all - is possibly proving what they already suspected, i.e., that Linux is for geeks and anoraks who enjoy typing into black boxes.

.... not to be derogatory toward anyone who considers themselves a geek, or is proud to wear an anorak -- but you know what i mean.

[Fintan]

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......anoraks who enjoy typing into black boxes.

Mine is transparent

[aged hippy]

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[Bongo5HH]

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I've said it before, I'll no doubt say it again. Anyone who thinks WinXP beats Kubuntu hasn't installed XP in ages and has just forgot what a pain Windows really is.

I found Gutsy to be the weakest Alpha and Beta Kubuntu in the last three releases but even with that I only had real issues with Tribe 4.

I installed the full release in about 2 hours on my desktop on Friday. An additional hour was needed to go looking through www.kde-look.org to make it look the way I want it too... So in a grand total of 3 hours I have my full production system up and running. I use this system to write and produce a radio program.. get XP set up to do that in 3 hours.

Sure there are a couple of issues.. the problem people have with Linux is any issue seems big because it's "new" to them. I have WinXP in a dual boot config on my Laptop... the ONLY thing I use it for is updating my wife's mp3 player and XP is a PAIN!!

I haven't spent any real time with Vista so I don't know.. but seeing as the thing isn't exactly flying off the store shelves...

Kev

[senorian]

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Fintan says
Mepis is very good but it takes a lot of time to get responses from the forum.

Unfortunately the same can be true here
see:
Adept: "waiting for headers (99%)"
« on: March 02, 2007, 06:43:58 pm »
and the only reply
Re: Adept: "waiting for headers (99%)"
« Reply #1 on: October 09, 2007, 10:10:06 am »

these on the Dapper software forum

Generally I seem to get much more response from the ubuntu forums (even though I am asking about Kubuntu problems) than here. But I feel that it is inappropriate to take my Kubuntu problems to a Ubuntu forum and thereby take up the time of the gurus who would otherwise be answering the questions of ubuntu users

[dibl]

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Sometimes I see posts in the form of "Why doesn't Fragillator XPZ use my sound chip right?", and I never heard of the package, and they don't say what the heck their sound chip is, so it's really hard to help folks who post that kind of situation. There must be right about a zillion packages available for Linux (never mind the hardware combinations), and some of them are just plain obscure. :P