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**Caffeine_Junky** · Oct 20, 2007, 02:04 AM

Re: Just amazing

yeah I agree!

I installed Kubuntu 7.10 when the RC came out, ..and was really impressed at how nice it is and everything works "out of the box"

I have been using Ubuntu (Gnome) since July/07, and have also used debian etch with KDE/3.5.7, so I had a feel for KDE before I tried kubuntu, ...but I was truly impressed when I booted into Kubuntu Gutsy!

Very nice release peeps...

Great Work!!

**Slajan** · Oct 20, 2007, 05:02 AM

Re: Just amazing

I agree. this is great. Although my upgrade succeeded, i failed to start System Settings
but everything else worked fine, and that's a huge step, cuz i didn't expect upgrade will work to the end, but it did, with few minor errors, like when a tool for upgrading broke and failed, then i restarted it and it went fine. I wanted to test the upgrade and it succeeded for me at least, but i better prefer clean install cuz some programs in the menus got mixed up, so i installed nice and fresh gutsy.
Although i went little bit in panic when (That's my first priority when installed a operating system) i wanted to change resolution from 1280/1024 to 1024/768 cuz i can better see that way, i couldn't use computer with higher resolution i can't see a d*** thing. my screen went black and i went panic.'this can't be true' was the disappointment. I restarted it and all went fine i could now even see much more screen resolution options and that's great progress in the system.
i like the idea of kubuntu device database and that must be great help for developers. Strigi i didn't quite found out how does it work, i search for file but nothing happens.
the other thing that is really great is performance i noticed speed up in performance for a newer version.. that's a bit impressive.
what really got me embrace gutsy gibbon is login manager with user icons.
i need that to make my personal (and only mine) linux (kubuntu) system to be even more mine and more personal. so now i know that it's really me that log onto system when i log onto the system (my system).
guess that's exactly what you get (what you wanted) when you donate thirty buck to kubuntu.

**ccondrup** · Jan 09, 2008, 07:57 PM

Re: Just amazing

Originally posted by K0LO

I just created a LiveUSB version of Kubuntu Gutsy on a 2 GB USB stick with 1 GB for the OS partition and 1 GB for the persistent partition. Persistence, which was broken in Edgy is working fine again in Gutsy.

I am just amazed at how well this version works. When I booted my ThinkPad X41 Tablet with the USB stick absolutely everything was working out of the box -- wireless, video, sound, even the tablet pen (after one quick uncomment to 3 lines in the xorg.conf file). Now to do a distribution upgrade on the tablet's hard disk from Edgy to Gutsy...

I think that the developers deserve a big round of thanks for the best Kubuntu version yet.

Sounds great, could you please give a little insight as to how you achieved it?
I see lots of tutorials for Ubuntu, but none for Kubuntu. One for 7.10 would be very much appreciated!

I ended up trying this one, as it seemed to be the easiest howto: http://www.pendrivelinux.com/2007/09...ibbon-install/

However when I try to boot, Syslinux loads its first header line "SYSLINUX 3.36 debian etc.." and then says "could not find kernel image: linux"
and prompts me with "boot:"
I have no idea what to answer in that "boot" line, and am stuck there. Any pointers appreciated, keep in mind I am quite fluent in Windows, but totally new to these other platforms (eager to try, though

)

Thanks!

**K0LO** · Jan 09, 2008, 08:07 PM

Re: Just amazing

ccondrup:

Certainly. I wrote an article aimed at mostly Windows users about a year ago and posted in on GottaBeMobile.com; a forum for tablet PC users. You could give that a go.

Here is a link to the article. Let me know how it works out.

**Qqmike** · Jan 09, 2008, 08:33 PM

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“I just created a LiveUSB version of Kubuntu Gutsy on a 2 GB USB stick with 1 GB for the OS partition and 1 GB for the persistent partition. Persistence, which was broken in Edgy is working fine again in Gutsy.”

What a coincidence, KOLO. I am just now studying this subject. Herman recently posted his version of LIVE USB persistence, based on his research of how-to's, at:
Herman’s How-to
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=575406

My how-to does not yet address persistence:
Build a LIVE Kubuntu Flash Drive, How-To
http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/inde...089474.new#new
Step-by-step

But, after I study the subject a bit more, I do plan to add Herman's reference to my how-to and maybe add my own version/take on it under my how-to.

Thought I'd mention it here, because (1) you are right about things being easier in Gutsy, and (2) you probably have sparked some interest in LIVE USB persistence! You may wish to indicate how/where you did yours.

EDIT: While typing this, I see you just posted and addressed this subject -- I'll look at your suggestions, too--thanks.

**Qqmike** · Jan 09, 2008, 08:42 PM

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ccondrup, the error you got is a common one for these experiments. It means exactly what it says: the path you gave for the kernel does not lead to the kernel! Re-check that path (in the kernel line), check the syntax (like slashes /, etc.);

check for unnecessary devices in the path: for example, let's say your kernel line says
kernel /folder1/folder2/vmlinuz. Is folder1 really needed? is it the right starting folder on the path?

Frustrating but it usually turns out to be some ridiculous, trivial thing that you are not seeing because it is so obvious. That's been my experience with it.

HOWEVER, check out the new how-to's: piece of cake (e.g., herman's that I cited); my how-to is trivial to modify for persistence, but I haven't yet posted how to do that (and may not get to it for several days).

EDIT added: BTW, that boot: prompt you got -- you can experiment at it: try typing various kernel paths in until you hit the correct one. Look in syslinux.cfg for hints, or isolinux.cfg.

**ccondrup** · Jan 10, 2008, 01:59 AM

Re: Just amazing

Thanks for these fine replies, guys!

Qqmike: Yeah, I see. The thing was that I never edited any files as the tutorial I followed didn't require me to. After reading your suggestions I did try some more, and found /casper/vmlinuz did the trick, but then I got a kernel panic as I couldn't find a correct root= param.. I guess what went wrong in my initial try was that the custom isolinux.cfg from pendrivelinux was never applied/written to the UFD.

Anyways, I skimmed through all links provided and after a bit of try/fail I google'd again, and wound up here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php...&postcount=100 (funny enough, back on another post by K0LO

)

Since I already had the properly partitioned ufd, I just copied the files from the kubuntu cd, and followed the rest of that forum post tutorial, and hey presto, worked first try, greatness!

Thanks so much guys, I now have a pc free of harddrives and it is incredibly quiet, what a lovely machine for surfing and day to day use! I second the thread title, this is just amazing

**Qqmike** · Jan 10, 2008, 06:20 AM

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Hi ccondrup,
Your fix is one I also have run into: needing to start at the /casper folder (in the kernel path) (but when you do persistent, it is different!). The other thing I forgot to mention. the thing you also found, are the correct options following /casper/vmlinuz root= etc etc. Sometimes, you can steal these options & parameters from the corresponding SYSLINUX/ISOLINUX config file.
Glad you got it running!

**K0LO** · Jan 10, 2008, 06:40 AM

Re: Just amazing

ccondrup:

Glad you got it working! I was going to include a link to my post on the Ubuntu forum but you found it anyway.

I have made two major changes in direction since that article 2 years ago. First, I prefer GRUB to syslinux as a boot manager, so in the same Ubuntu forum thread is another article on using GRUB. See post #158.

Recently, however, I've found an even better boot manager; grub4dos. If you like GRUB then you will really like grub4dos. It improves on the original with even more flexibility. For example, you are not limited to chainloading to a partition's boot record. Instead, you can specify the file that you are trying to boot from. On a USB flash drive, this means that you can dump a bunch of bootable operating systems (Linux, PartedMagic, DOS, BartPE, VistaPE, etc.) into the same flash drive partition and then specify on the grub4dos menu which to boot. The wiki article explains the improvements in grub4dos over GRUB. Check it out here.

**ccondrup** · Jan 11, 2008, 09:02 PM

Re: Just amazing

Grub might be better if you want to boot several OS's, I just wanted a LiveUSB with persistent features, and got that done nicely by following the excellent tutorials mentioned. From what you're saying it seems that it would be easy to make your very own "ultimate" boot disc/pen, which contains all diagnostic/recover software, no matter which platform etc, sounds great!

I just saw an article on KDE 4 today, so I grabbed the livecd mentioned - extracted and overwrote on the usb pen:
/casper/*
/vmlinuz
/initrd.gz

Voila, I got KDE4, awesome - I love the new GUI

-- edit:
Woops, be warned, dont just try for the sake of it like I did here :P
I actually thought I had gotten it working for a while, but I now see different problems arise, and am unable to debug since I cannot sudo, upon trying sudo I get "sudoers file: syntax error, line 35"... not good, hehe. I'll keep playing with it, I keep learning things this way. As long as it's fun, right?

**K0LO** · Jan 11, 2008, 10:09 PM

Re: Just amazing

ccondrup:

Yes; building your own "ultimate flash drive" is fun. On my 2 GB drive I have:

1. VistaPE -- Windows Vista PE in 300 MB
2. Knoppix
3. Knoppix persistent home partition
4. Acronis Disk Director and True Image (Linux boot environments)
5. PartedMagic

plus about 400 MB of free space for files. There are 5 partitions and grub4dos is the boot manager. It is a great tool for PC repair. VistaPE can fix Vista and XP systems, and Knoppix can fix anything...

**Qqmike** · Jan 12, 2008, 10:03 AM

Re: Just amazing

Hi KOLO --

You have Gutsy LIVE persistent on the UFD, right? Have you had any problems during repeated re-boots? I have gotten the dreaded segmentation fault, unable to unmount various files, something about a crazy /cow file etc. It is all reported by others here:

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+s...rt/+bug/125702
segmentation faults and /cow;
problems maintaining persistence upon subsequent re-boots.
questions regarding correct writing to /home;
corrupt files;

The persistent worked for the first re-boot, but then files were getting corrupted, even messing my X.

I'm curious where you got your main kernel line, the ramdisk_size=1048576 part, that's about 1 gig, which makes sense, I suppose.
kernel /casper/vmlinuz boot=casper persistent ramdisk_size=1048576 root=/dev/ram rw quiet splash--

And the boot=casper sets the casper folder as the location of the kernel, right? (since the kernel is not in the /boot that we make on the Kubuntu partition).

I haven't yet tried this kernel command line but will try to do so soon (mine is something different). Anyway, other people are getting those errors (up to 12/2007 in Gutsy), but it's not clear how they loaded their UFD; seems like most use Syslinux rather than GRUB (I prefer GRUB, as you have done, although I have used both, even chainloading Syslinux from GRUB).
Thanks,
--Mike

**K0LO** · Jan 12, 2008, 10:41 AM

Re: Just amazing

Hi, Mike:

Yes, I have Gutsy Live Persistent on a UFD and no, I've not had problems with persistence in Gutsy; it is working fine even with repeated reboots. Perhaps it is a file system issue. How is your persistent partition formatted; ext2 or ext3? I have my casper-rw partition formatted as ext3. I know that ext2 is supposed to work but it did not in an earlier Kubuntu version, so I've just kept it as ext3 ever since.

I am using GRUB as a boot loader on the Kubuntu Gutsy drive. The drive that I described in my previous post that uses grub4dos is a different flash drive. Curiously, on that drive the Knoppix persistent partition is ext2 and it is always getting corrupted. Every time I start it up, fsck runs and finds and corrects several inode problems. This doesn't happen on the Kubuntu persistent partition.

Here is the menu.lst file so that you can take a look at it:

# menu.lst - Customized for Kubuntu Live Desktop 7.10
# MJW 31 Oct 2007

default 0
timeout 3
color white/red yellow/blue

title Kubuntu Live Desktop (Persistent)
root (hd0,0)
kernel /casper/vmlinuz boot=casper ramdisk_size=1048576 root=/dev/ram rw quiet splash persistent
initrd /casper/initrd.gz

title Kubuntu Live Desktop
root (hd0,0)
kernel /casper/vmlinuz boot=casper ramdisk_size=1048576 root=/dev/ram rw quiet splash
initrd /casper/initrd.gz

title Kubuntu Live Desktop (Safe Graphics Mode, Verbose Startup)
root (hd0,0)
kernel /casper/vmlinuz boot=casper xforcevesa ramdisk_size=1048576 root=/dev/ram rw
initrd /casper/initrd.gz

title Memory Test
root (hd0,0)
kernel /install/mt86plus

**Qqmike** · Jan 12, 2008, 10:54 AM

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Hi KOLO,

I'm using another menu.lst form, using a file= statement, but I'm wondering if that is at fault here (maybe GRUB doesn't get it?).

So, first I'll try my ext2 capser-rw partition with your kernel statement (using ramdisk); and, actually, that is the way I did other flash drive OSs.

If that fails, I'll reformat casper-rw as ext3 to get journalling (and better checking). I avoided the ext3 because I figured that the journalling would be pounding the UFD with writes, and then the wear-out issue would be increased.

Thanks, I'll try it sometime today, hopefully soon (barring all the Saturday errands for food-shopping & etc.),

Mike

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