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    Safe to Upgrade xorg for ATI Card?

    When new graphics files became available, there was a flock of disaster reports that made it seem adviseable not to upgrade xorg with my ATI card. Adept continues to report available upgrades, and if I can do it safely, I'd like to upgrade. It bugs me, for example, that Google Earth is unuseable.

    BTW, I did a search, but there doesn't seem to be any way to search for "ati" without getting "compATIble," etc.

    So, is it safe to upgrade? Any precautions advised?

    Lane
    Lane Lester
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    Re: Safe to Upgrade xorg for ATI Card?

    Hi,
    you do not mention which ATI card you are using, some very old ATI cards have a problem with the newest fglrx driver. I use a 9600xt and that does not have a problem with the newest driver. Try searching using fglrx.

    Hope that is of some help John
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      Re: Safe to Upgrade xorg for ATI Card?

      Thanks, John. "9600xt" sounds familiar. I wish I knew how to identify my card without opening the box (not very convenient). It looks like "discover" might do the trick, but I can't figure out how to use it.

      Lane
      Lane Lester
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        Re: Safe to Upgrade xorg for ATI Card?

        I've never been able to get my ATI9200 card to work with the latest drivers. I believe my model is right at the cut-off point. It sux because I can't get any of the XGL goodness that I feel I am due. I believe that if your card is anywhere above 9200 then you're ok. If it's anywhere below then you're out of luck.
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          Re: Safe to Upgrade xorg for ATI Card?

          Hi,
          sorry did not get back to you earlier. Lane if you go to the menu/system/KinfoCenter, select PCI and somewere near the bottom you should find it. Cliff are you sure the problem was with the driver fglrx does not support composite extension and can trash your display if it is turned on in your xorg.conf. Somewere in the Ubuntu documentation there is information on installing the older version of fglrx, sorry don't remember were.

          Regards John

          Regards John
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            Re: Safe to Upgrade xorg for ATI Card?

            Originally posted by John Bird
            Lane if you go to the menu/system/KinfoCenter, select PCI and somewere near the bottom you should find it.
            Thanks, John. My card is an ATI Radeon 9600XT. I went ahead and took the Edgy plunge with a new partition. It was pretty easy to get going again by copying stuff from the Dapper install.

            I learned in another thread that there are a number of ATI drivers. I guess I ended up trying quite a few. I finally followed some directions that had you create your own .deb. That install at least has given me decent window behavior, although the Mesa slowpoke is still doing the OpenGL stuff.

            I wish I had an nVidia card, but so far I haven't been able to bring myself to spend the money. I don't do games, but I'd love to be able to do Google Earth. Also it seems it's a lot less trouble to get an nVidia going after a new install or upgrade.

            Lane
            Lane Lester
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              Re: Safe to Upgrade xorg for ATI Card?

              Wow, I forgot about this thread. John, I'm completely confused about ATI support under Linux. All of my efforts at configuring my ATI 9200 card have ended in unsatisfactory results. I too don't do gaming, though I did want to try out the new XGL stuff at home (where I have an ATI card) before wasting time installing it at work (where I have an NVidia card). I understand that there are a couple of ATI drivers but I'm not sure which driver is where. I know of the fglrx package that is listed in the repositories. I have also read that XOrg includes an fglrx compatible driver by default. The crazy thing is this. I have both Mepis 6.0 and Ubuntu (Gnome) installed @ home. Under Mepis I couldn't get the advanced ATI config panel working regardless of what driver install combo I tried. On the same machine, pointing to (what I think is) the same repos I got the config panel working without breaking a sweat in Ubuntu. I'm not sure if that means I have the right driver installed or what. To be honest all of the technical details behind these drivers confuse the crap out of me. I wish there were some easy to follow writeup or explanation of all the available drivers and their respective locations and install instructions. I'm not quite sure what fglrx means, what's required to run Compiz/XGL, or what the difference is between the ATI driver, the fglrx driver and the Radeon driver. I know there are two packages that showed when I searched in Synaptic, one I believe was marked ATI while the other said fglrx. From my memory (I had tried all of this a couple of months ago) I had to install both. I'm completely confused. I believe that it may be possible to get my card installed and configed properly but I can't find the right definitive documentation anywhere. If you or anyone else can shed some light on the subject I'd be glad to put together a simple writeup or howto for struglling dummiies like myself.
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                Re: Safe to Upgrade xorg for ATI Card?

                Originally posted by LaneLester
                I wish I had an nVidia card, but so far I haven't been able to bring myself to spend the money. I don't do games, but I'd love to be able to do Google Earth. Also it seems it's a lot less trouble to get an nVidia going after a new install or upgrade.
                I found an nVidia Geforce 5500 for $60 at TigerDirect and went for it. It still took a bit of doing to get full speed, but now I have it and am pleased to see the last of that ATI card.

                Lane
                Lane Lester
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                  Re: Safe to Upgrade xorg for ATI Card?

                  Originally posted by Cliff76
                  I understand that there are a couple of ATI drivers but I'm not sure which driver is where. I know of the fglrx package that is listed in the repositories. I have also read that XOrg includes an fglrx compatible driver by default. The crazy thing is this. I have both Mepis 6.0 and Ubuntu (Gnome) installed @ home. Under Mepis I couldn't get the advanced ATI config panel working regardless of what driver install combo I tried. On the same machine, pointing to (what I think is) the same repos I got the config panel working without breaking a sweat in Ubuntu. I'm not sure if that means I have the right driver installed or what. To be honest all of the technical details behind these drivers confuse the crap out of me. I wish there were some easy to follow writeup or explanation of all the available drivers and their respective locations and install instructions. I'm not quite sure what fglrx means, what's required to run Compiz/XGL, or what the difference is between the ATI driver, the fglrx driver and the Radeon driver.
                  fglrx = binary, closed source driver written by ATI. adds 3d functionality for newer Radeon cards
                  ati = open source driver that provides support for the ATI Mach, Rage, Radeon, and FireGL series. It provides the 'atimisc', 'r128' and 'radeon' sub-drivers.
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                    Re: Safe to Upgrade xorg for ATI Card?

                    I have radeon 9200 pci(Not pci express) and it works superbly with kubuntu.I use fglrx driver by ati.

                    I`ve made it work with kano`s script written for kanotix.

                    My glxinfo output is

                    Code:
                    name of display: :0.0
display: :0 screen: 0
direct rendering: Yes
server glx vendor string: SGI
server glx version string: 1.2
server glx extensions:
  GLX_ARB_multisample, GLX_EXT_visual_info, GLX_EXT_visual_rating,
  GLX_EXT_import_context, GLX_OML_swap_method, GLX_SGI_make_current_read,
  GLX_SGIS_multisample, GLX_SGIX_hyperpipe, GLX_SGIX_swap_barrier,
  GLX_SGIX_fbconfig
client glx vendor string: ATI
client glx version string: 1.3
client glx extensions:
  GLX_EXT_visual_info, GLX_EXT_visual_rating, GLX_EXT_import_context,
  GLX_ARB_get_proc_address, GLX_SGI_video_sync, GLX_ARB_multisample,
  GLX_ATI_pixel_format_float, GLX_ATI_render_texture
GLX version: 1.2
GLX extensions:
  GLX_EXT_visual_info, GLX_EXT_visual_rating, GLX_EXT_import_context,
  GLX_ARB_multisample
OpenGL vendor string: ATI Technologies Inc.
OpenGL renderer string: RADEON 9250/9200 Series DDR Generic
OpenGL version string: 1.3.1091 (X4.3.0-8.28.8)
OpenGL extensions:
  GL_ARB_multitexture, GL_EXT_texture_env_add, GL_EXT_compiled_vertex_array,
  GL_S3_s3tc, GL_ARB_occlusion_query, GL_ARB_point_parameters,
  GL_ARB_texture_border_clamp, GL_ARB_texture_compression,
  GL_ARB_texture_cube_map, GL_ARB_texture_env_add,
  GL_ARB_texture_env_combine, GL_ARB_texture_env_crossbar,
  GL_ARB_texture_env_dot3, GL_ARB_texture_mirrored_repeat,
  GL_ARB_transpose_matrix, GL_ARB_vertex_blend, GL_ARB_vertex_buffer_object,
  GL_ARB_vertex_program, GL_ARB_window_pos, GL_ATI_element_array,
  GL_ATI_envmap_bumpmap, GL_ATI_fragment_shader, GL_ATI_map_object_buffer,
  GL_ATI_texture_env_combine3, GL_ATI_texture_mirror_once,
  GL_ATI_vertex_array_object, GL_ATI_vertex_attrib_array_object,
  GL_ATI_vertex_streams, GL_ATIX_texture_env_combine3,
  GL_ATIX_texture_env_route, GL_ATIX_vertex_shader_output_point_size,
  GL_EXT_abgr, GL_EXT_bgra, GL_EXT_blend_color, GL_EXT_blend_func_separate,
  GL_EXT_blend_minmax, GL_EXT_blend_subtract, GL_EXT_clip_volume_hint,
  GL_EXT_draw_range_elements, GL_EXT_fog_coord, GL_EXT_multi_draw_arrays,
  GL_EXT_packed_pixels, GL_EXT_point_parameters, GL_EXT_rescale_normal,
  GL_EXT_secondary_color, GL_EXT_separate_specular_color,
  GL_EXT_stencil_wrap, GL_EXT_texgen_reflection, GL_EXT_texture3D,
  GL_EXT_texture_compression_s3tc, GL_EXT_texture_cube_map,
  GL_EXT_texture_edge_clamp, GL_EXT_texture_env_combine,
  GL_EXT_texture_env_dot3, GL_EXT_texture_filter_anisotropic,
  GL_EXT_texture_lod_bias, GL_EXT_texture_mirror_clamp,
  GL_EXT_texture_object, GL_EXT_texture_rectangle, GL_EXT_vertex_array,
  GL_EXT_vertex_shader, GL_HP_occlusion_test, GL_NV_blend_square,
  GL_NV_occlusion_query, GL_NV_texgen_reflection, GL_SGI_color_matrix,
  GL_SGIS_generate_mipmap, GL_SGIS_texture_border_clamp,
  GL_SGIS_texture_edge_clamp, GL_SGIS_texture_lod, GL_SUN_multi_draw_arrays
glu version: 1.3
glu extensions:
  GLU_EXT_nurbs_tessellator, GLU_EXT_object_space_tess

  visual x bf lv rg d st colorbuffer ax dp st accumbuffer ms cav
 id dep cl sp sz l ci b ro r g b a bf th cl r g b a ns b eat
----------------------------------------------------------------------
0x23 24 tc 0 32 0 r y . 8 8 8 8 0 24 8 16 16 16 16 1 0 Slow
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0x32 24 dc 0 32 0 r . . 8 8 8 8 0 24 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 None
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