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    programs don't start

    I'm having strange problems which I hope I can define. Often when clicking on a program in the menu OR on an icon in the taskbar the program "goes through the motions" of opening but in the end doesn't start. By "going through the motions" I mean that the program icon starts coming up, turns around for a while (about 30 seconds) and the dissapears. The program doesn't open. After trying a few times, the program eventually starts.
    This seems to happen randomlt to me with almost any program I try to operate adept, konqueror, etc. I hope my explanation can help somebody solve this very frustrating phenomena.
    Errol
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    Re: programs don't start

    I've seen this as well. Usually it's one of two things:

    1. The mouse pointer seems to timeout and quit flashing, but the program is still starting up. This is usually indicated by the hard drive light flashing or my CPU monitor being pegged.

    2. A problem with the application itself. Of course, if that is the problem then the app will never start, so this may not be your case. When I encounter this, I run the app from a Konsole to see the output and try to debug the problem.
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      #3
      Re: programs don't start

      TheDqrkSavant Hi
      The problem may be connected to your second point. I, of course, know how to run the app from a konsole but how do I then try and debug it?
      Errol
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        Re: programs don't start

        Originally posted by errol
        TheDqrkSavant Hi
        The problem may be connected to your second point. I, of course, know how to run the app from a konsole but how do I then try and debug it?
        Well, mostly I just get lucky. For example, one specific problem I recall was with Eclipse, but that was just JAVA_HOME not pointing to the right JDK. I've had other problems with Firefox when a certain combination of extensions don't play well together, so I have to remove one of them.

        It really depends on the output you get in the console. Sometimes it just doesn't make any sense to me and I'm stuck, but usually I can guess from the output. Sometimes the app depends on something that isn't installed, so installing that would work.

        If you want to post the output from console I can give a shot at trying to give you some direction.
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          Re: programs don't start

          TheDqrkSavant Hi
          This is a very long post with examples!!
          This is what I get when writing adept. It's rather long and starts off with errors, before getting to the script Adept eventually opens but see the last line of the script, it doesn't end with:
          errol@errolinux:~
          as it should.
          With konqueror I get a similar situation (posted lower down under the adept script). Two other phenomina
          1. In neither case was I asked for my password for sudo - Is that normal?
          2, In both cases the program opened even though te script seems faulty and the "errol@errolinux:~" start came back only after closing each program. Before the closing of the program the scrpit ended as shown.
          By the way these "errors" or similar ones come up in almost every program I try to start in Konsole. the "error" script comes up but the program opens.
          Any input??

          errol@errolinux:~$ sudo adept

          X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 166
          Major opcode: 144
          Minor opcode: 3
          Resource id: 0x0
          Failed to open device
          X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 166
          Major opcode: 144
          Minor opcode: 3
          Resource id: 0x0
          Failed to open device
          kapture::PkgSystem::PkgSystem()
          adept: ERROR: Communication problem with adept, it probably crashed.
          errol@errolinux:~$ adept: PackageDetails::setPackage()
          adept: PackageInfo::setPackage()
          adept: PackageInfo::setVersion() (valid)
          adept: PackageDetails::notifyPostChange()
          adept: PackageDetails::loadFileList()
          ScimInputContextPlugin()
          adept: PackageDetails::loadFileListWorker() entering loop
          adept: PackageDetails::loadFileListWorker() leaving loop
          adept: TagList: scheduling update
          adept: TagList: scheduling update
          adept: ExtendableList::updateExtenders(); count = 3
          adept: ExtendableList::updateExtenders(); count = 0
          adept: ExtendableList::updateExtenders(); count = 0
          adept: ExtendableList::updateExtenders(); count = 3
          adept: ExtendableList::updateExtenders(); count = 3
          adept: rebuild running
          adept: querying m_rangeProvider 0x84c9d9c...
          adept: clearing...
          adept: ExtendableList::clear()
          adept: end of ExtendableList::clear()
          adept: asyncCall to rebuildInsertRange...
          adept: starting the thread...
          adept: PackageDetails::updateLogical()
          adept: PackageDetails::updateLogical: p = python-tclink p.component() = 0x834a7f8
          adept: rebuild running
          adept: querying m_rangeProvider 0x850bd04...
          python
          python2.4-tclink
          python
          adept: clearing...
          adept: ExtendableList::clear()
          adept: end of ExtendableList::clear()
          adept: asyncCall to rebuildInsertRange...
          adept: starting the thread...
          adept: ExtendableList::updateExtenders(); count = 3
          adept: TagList (Tags I Want (drop tags here)): updating list
          adept: TagList (Tags I Do Not Want (drop tags here)): updating list
          adept: ExtendableList::updateExtenders(); count = 3
          adept: thread finished...
          adept: 3 entities synced, time = 1330
          adept: thread finished...
          adept: 18804 entities synced, time = 1330
          adept: FilterSidebar::setCardinality
          adept: PackageDetails::loadFileList() finished
          adept: PackageDetails::setPackage()
          adept: PackageInfo::setPackage()
          adept: PackageInfo::setVersion() (valid)
          adept: PackageDetails::notifyPostChange()
          adept: PackageDetails::loadFileList()
          adept: TagList: scheduling update
          adept: TagList: scheduling update
          adept: ExtendableList::updateExtenders(); count = 3
          adept: ExtendableList::updateExtenders(); count = 0
          adept: ExtendableList::updateExtenders(); count = 0
          adept: ExtendableList::updateExtenders(); count = 3
          adept: ExtendableList::updateExtenders(); count = 3
          adept: rebuild running
          adept: querying m_rangeProvider 0x8b218fc...
          adept: clearing...
          adept: ExtendableList::clear()
          adept: end of ExtendableList::clear()
          adept: asyncCall to rebuildInsertRange...
          adept: starting the thread...
          adept: PackageDetails::updateLogical()
          adept: PackageDetails::updateLogical: p = python-tclink p.component() = 0x834a7f8
          adept: rebuild running
          adept: querying m_rangeProvider 0x8b4ca04...
          python
          python2.4-tclink
          python
          adept: clearing...
          adept: ExtendableList::clear()
          adept: end of ExtendableList::clear()
          adept: asyncCall to rebuildInsertRange...
          adept: starting the thread...
          adept: PackageDetails::loadFileListWorker() entering loop
          adept: PackageDetails::loadFileListWorker() leaving loop
          adept: ExtendableList::updateExtenders(); count = 3
          adept: TagList (Tags I Want (drop tags here)): updating list
          adept: TagList (Tags I Do Not Want (drop tags here)): updating list
          adept: ExtendableList::updateExtenders(); count = 3
          adept: thread finished...
          adept: 3 entities synced, time = 710
          adept: thread finished...
          adept: 18804 entities synced, time = 710
          adept: FilterSidebar::setCardinality
          adept: PackageDetails::loadFileList() finished
          Uh oh.. can't write data..
          adept: ExtendableList::updateExtenders(); count = 3
          adept: ExtendableList::updateExtenders(); count = 3
          adept: ExtendableList::updateExtenders(); count = 3
          adept: ExtendableList::updateExtenders(); count = 3
          adept: ExtendableList::updateExtenders(); count = 0
          adept: ExtendableList::updateExtenders(); count = 0
          adept: ExtendableList::updateExtenders(); count = 3
          adept: ExtendableList::updateExtenders(); count = 0
          adept: ExtendableList::updateExtenders(); count = 0
          adept: ExtendableList::updateExtenders(); count = 0
          adept: ExtendableList::updateExtenders(); count = 3
          adept: ExtendableList::updateExtenders(); count = 0
          adept: ExtendableList::updateExtenders(); count = 0
          adept: ExtendableList::updateExtenders(); count = 3
          adept: rebuild running
          adept: querying m_rangeProvider 0x84c9d9c...
          adept: clearing...
          adept: ExtendableList::clear()
          adept: end of ExtendableList::clear()
          adept: asyncCall to rebuildInsertRange...
          adept: starting the thread...
          adept: ExtendableList::updateExtenders(); count = 0
          adept: thread finished...
          adept: 18804 entities synced, time = 1290
          adept: Progress:one()
          adept: FilterSidebar::setCardinality
          adept: ExtendableList::updateExtenders(); count = 0
          adept: rebuild running
          adept: querying m_rangeProvider 0x8b218fc...
          adept: clearing...
          adept: ExtendableList::clear()
          adept: end of ExtendableList::clear()
          adept: asyncCall to rebuildInsertRange...
          adept: starting the thread...
          adept: thread finished...
          adept: 0 entities synced, time = 170
          adept: Progress:one()
          adept: FilterSidebar::setCardinality
          Mutex destroy failure: Device or resource busy
          ~ScimInputContextPlugin()



          errol@errolinux:~$ sudo konqueror
          X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 166
          Major opcode: 144
          Minor opcode: 3
          Resource id: 0x0
          Failed to open device
          X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 166
          Major opcode: 144
          Minor opcode: 3
          Resource id: 0x0
          Failed to open device
          DCOPClient::attachInternal. Attach failed Could not open network socket
          Link points to "/tmp/ksocket-root"
          Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
          Xlib: No protocol specified

          kdeinit: Can't connect to the X Server.
          kdeinit: Might not terminate at end of session.
          Link points to "/tmp/kde-root"
          Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
          Xlib: No protocol specified

          kded: cannot connect to X server :0.0
          DCOP aborting call from 'anonymous-5707' to 'kded'
          kded: ERROR: Communication problem with kded, it probably crashed.
          ScimInputContextPlugin()
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            Re: programs don't start

            Originally posted by errol
            TheDqrkSavant Hi
            This is a very long post with examples!!
            This is what I get when writing adept. It's rather long and starts off with errors, before getting to the script Adept eventually opens but see the last line of the script, it doesn't end with:
            errol@errolinux:~
            as it should.
            With konqueror I get a similar situation (posted lower down under the adept script). Two other phenomena
            1. In neither case was I asked for my password for sudo - Is that normal?
            sudo can cache passwords, so if you've recently run a program as sudo, sometimes it won't ask.
            2, In both cases the program opened even though the script seems faulty and the "errol@errolinux:~" start came back only after closing each program. Before the closing of the program the script ended as shown.
            By the way these "errors" or similar ones come up in almost every program I try to start in Konsole. the "error" script comes up but the program opens.
            Any input??
            I get the exact same output when I run these. I'm suspecting that perhaps your computer just doesn't have the horsepower to launch these programs very fast. I know my home machine takes quite a while to launch programs.

            You can try using 'kdesu' to launch them from the konsole, but I really can't see anything wrong with the output.

            How much memory do you have? If you have less than 512MB, then my guess is that Linux is swapping applications to disk to make room for the new app. Linux swaps to disk even when the memory is not full. This can really slow down a system if the drives are slow.

            Sorry I can't be of more help, but I just don't see anything obviously wrong in the output you posted.
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              Re: programs don't start

              I have a very strong computer. It has an AMD 3700+ 64 processor, 2 Giga memory, two 80 Giga SATA disks etc.etc.
              So power can't be the problem. I have the Dapper i686 Kubuntu installed, maybe I should install the 64bit version? I hear there are some limitations with this but I don't really know.
              Thanks all the same for your advice TheDarkSavant!!!!!!
              Errol
              p.s. Just thought of something. My /home is on the one disk and the Kubuntu on the other, Could this affect anything?? From what I understand, it shouldn't.
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                Re: programs don't start

                Originally posted by errol
                I have a very strong computer. It has an AMD 3700+ 64 processor, 2 Giga memory, two 80 Giga SATA disks etc.etc.
                So power can't be the problem. I have the Dapper i686 Kubuntu installed, maybe I should install the 64bit version? I hear there are some limitations with this but I don't really know.
                Thanks all the same for your advice TheDarkSavant!!!!!!
                Errol
                p.s. Just thought of something. My /home is on the one disk and the Kubuntu on the other, Could this affect anything?? From what I understand, it shouldn't.
                Wow, that should run things just fine! Perhaps it is the i686 version not being able to take advantage of the 64 bit architecture.

                Having /home and /root on separate disks should actually speed things up a tad. Especially if they are on different ports/controllers.
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