What is it with updates?

[Scorpa54]

I'm running along smoothly, see updates available and install them, then the next morning when I go to boot up I can't get in and have to do a complete install. My system freezes right after the Kubuntu logo and sits there with a cursor line flashing in the upper left corner of a black screen. No reboots cure this, nothing I seem to be able to do with grub tools fixes this, just re-install.
The other thing I have noticed is that after an update is that Discover is unable to get a lock when trying to download software, apt install also does not work, but at least it tells you how to configure the breakage.
I am pretty certain that the freeze is caused by a clash with Nvidia but is there a fix so that I am not re-installing every two days?
Thank you kindly,

[vinnywright]

I will ask you a few questions to try to narrow down why you may be having this problem .

1- I will assume you are doing your updates with Discover ,yes/no , I personally do not, and the "lock" problem I think you are describing is usually caused by the update's not completing properly and leaves you having to manually remove the "lock" file .
2-whow did you install your Nvidia driver and what model is your nvidia hardware.

I prefer to do my updates on the command line as ,as you have discovered you get more feedback and suggestions for a fix.

I do

sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get  dist-upgrade

VINNY

[Scorpa54]

I will ask you a few questions to try to narrow down why you may be having this problem .

2-whow did you install your Nvidia driver and what model is your nvidia hardware.

I prefer to do my updates on the command line as ,as you have discovered you get more feedback and suggestions for a fix.

I do

sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get  dist-upgrade

VINNY

I installed my Asus GeForce GTX1060 6GB with cli:

sudo ubuntu-drivers autoinstall

I am wondering if it would be helpful to do a re-install of Nvidia after an update. It seems that things work well (during the re-install) when I install Nvidia after doing updates.
Thank you kindly

[kc1di]

your Nvidia driver may need to be reinstalled especially after and kernel upgrade or Xord up grade.
in order to get to the desktop you may have to add nomodeset to the boot line in grub.

[vinnywright]

first lets see what you have installed for nvidia

sudo dpkg -l | grep nvidia

then lets make sure dkms is installed

dpkg -l | grep dkms

post these back and we will go from their

VINNY

[Scorpa54]

your Nvidia driver may need to be reinstalled especially after and kernel upgrade or Xord up grade.
in order to get to the desktop you may have to add nomodeset to the boot line in grub.

Figured as much about the drivers, thanks. I no longer have grub because I removed my Windows partition, never used it.
One of the things I love about Linux is that I don't lose any info after a re-install as long as I don't format my home drive, even my app configuration is there when the apps are re-installed.

[vinnywright]

your Nvidia driver may need to be reinstalled especially after and kernel upgrade or Xord up grade.
in order to get to the desktop you may have to add nomodeset to the boot line in grub.

the dkms package is for rebuilding the kernel modules as needed

VINNY

[vinnywright]

Figured as much about the drivers, thanks. I no longer have grub because I removed my Windows partition, never used it.
One of the things I love about Linux is that I don't lose any info after a re-install as long as I don't format my home drive, even my app configuration is there when the apps are re-installed.

you still have "the grub bootloder installed" it just dose not show it's self if you only have the 1 install ,,,to see it at boot , as soon as you powere up the box keep taping the "shift" key

VINNY

[Scorpa54]

first lets see what you have installed for nvidia

sudo dpkg -l | grep nvidia

drew@scorpa54:~$ sudo dpkg -l | grep nvidia
[sudo] password for drew: 
ii  libnvidia-cfg1-390:amd64                        390.48-0ubuntu3                             amd64        NVIDIA binary OpenGL/GLX configuration library
ii  libnvidia-common-390                            390.48-0ubuntu3                             all          Shared files used by the NVIDIA libraries
ii  libnvidia-compute-390:amd64                     390.48-0ubuntu3                             amd64        NVIDIA libcompute package
ii  libnvidia-compute-390:i386                      390.48-0ubuntu3                             i386         NVIDIA libcompute package
ii  libnvidia-decode-390:amd64                      390.48-0ubuntu3                             amd64        NVIDIA Video Decoding runtime libraries
ii  libnvidia-decode-390:i386                       390.48-0ubuntu3                             i386         NVIDIA Video Decoding runtime libraries
ii  libnvidia-encode-390:amd64                      390.48-0ubuntu3                             amd64        NVENC Video Encoding runtime library
ii  libnvidia-encode-390:i386                       390.48-0ubuntu3                             i386         NVENC Video Encoding runtime library
ii  libnvidia-fbc1-390:amd64                        390.48-0ubuntu3                             amd64        NVIDIA OpenGL-based Framebuffer Capture runtime library
ii  libnvidia-fbc1-390:i386                         390.48-0ubuntu3                             i386         NVIDIA OpenGL-based Framebuffer Capture runtime library
ii  libnvidia-gl-390:amd64                          390.48-0ubuntu3                             amd64        NVIDIA OpenGL/GLX/EGL/GLES GLVND libraries and Vulkan ICD
ii  libnvidia-gl-390:i386                           390.48-0ubuntu3                             i386         NVIDIA OpenGL/GLX/EGL/GLES GLVND libraries and Vulkan ICD
ii  libnvidia-ifr1-390:amd64                        390.48-0ubuntu3                             amd64        NVIDIA OpenGL-based Inband Frame Readback runtime library
ii  libnvidia-ifr1-390:i386                         390.48-0ubuntu3                             i386         NVIDIA OpenGL-based Inband Frame Readback runtime library
ii  nvidia-compute-utils-390                        390.48-0ubuntu3                             amd64        NVIDIA compute utilities
ii  nvidia-dkms-390                                 390.48-0ubuntu3                             amd64        NVIDIA DKMS package
ii  nvidia-driver-390                               390.48-0ubuntu3                             amd64        NVIDIA driver metapackage
ii  nvidia-kernel-common-390                        390.48-0ubuntu3                             amd64        Shared files used with the kernel module
ii  nvidia-kernel-source-390                        390.48-0ubuntu3                             amd64        NVIDIA kernel source package
ii  nvidia-prime                                    0.8.8                                       all          Tools to enable NVIDIA's Prime
ii  nvidia-settings                                 390.42-0ubuntu1                             amd64        Tool for configuring the NVIDIA graphics driver
ii  nvidia-utils-390                                390.48-0ubuntu3                             amd64        NVIDIA driver support binaries
ii  xserver-xorg-video-nvidia-390                   390.48-0ubuntu3                             amd64        NVIDIA binary Xorg driver
drew@scorpa54:~$

then lets make sure dkms is installed

dpkg -l | grep dkms

post these back and we will go from their

VINNY

drew@scorpa54:~$ dpkg -l | grep dkms
ii  dkms                                            2.3-3ubuntu9.2                              all          Dynamic Kernel Module Support Framework
ii  nvidia-dkms-390                                 390.48-0ubuntu3                             amd64        NVIDIA DKMS package
drew@scorpa54:~$

[vinnywright]

OK .

lets check the state of the system as far as updates goes

post this one just the bottom 10 lines or so to see the suggestions

sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get  dist-upgrade

you can select(type) n to not go through with it if you so wish

VINNY

[Scorpa54]

OK .

lets check the state of the system as far as updates goes

post this one just the bottom 10 lines or so to see the suggestions

sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get  dist-upgrade

you can select(type) n to not go through with it if you so wish

VINNY

I did 122 updates with this mornings install, yesterday there was 119, and all is running okay as Nvidia was the last thing to go in.

drew@scorpa54:~$ sudo apt-get update
[sudo] password for drew: 
Hit:1 http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu bionic InRelease
Get:2 http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu bionic-security InRelease [83.2 kB]
Get:3 http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu bionic-updates InRelease [88.7 kB]       
Get:4 http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu bionic-backports InRelease [74.6 kB]
Fetched 247 kB in 1s (206 kB/s)    
Reading package lists... Done
drew@scorpa54:~$

drew@scorpa54:~$ sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree       
Reading state information... Done
Calculating upgrade... Done
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
drew@scorpa54:~$

[vinnywright]

OK ,,see how that goes then .

if you want to try the newest driver 396 (witch is what the nvidiad website is recommending as of now) then add the PPA

sudo add-apt-repository ppa:graphics-drivers/ppa
sudo apt-get update

then

sudo apt install nvidia-396

VINNY

[Scorpa54]

OK ,,see how that goes then .

if you want to try the newest driver 396 (witch is what the nvidiad website is recommending as of now) then add the PPA

sudo add-apt-repository ppa:graphics-drivers/ppa
sudo apt-get update

then

sudo apt install nvidia-396

VINNY

Thank you, much appreciated

[Scorpa54]

Well, so much for that theory. Reinstall this morning.
I did find that adding "Option Touch "off"" to the 70wacom.conf file locks me out on reboot and may have been the only reason for the reinstall this morning.
I am trying with Nvidia 396 drivers installed first and going through the arduous task of separately installing all updates to see which, if any, cause problems.
I will get back to you with the results in a few days (hopefully, only 89 more system updates to go)

[Scorpa54]

Had a freeze this morning at the display manager, this was after installing xorg update. Was able to get in after a hard reboot.
I have noticed that any/all updates dealing with pango have mysteriously disappeared before I had gotten to them and they were security updates. Very strange.