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  • kubicle
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    Originally posted by wizard10000 View Post
    I gave up (again) after 5.12 was released and plasmashell started throwing errors with systemsettings5.
    What kind of errors? I'm asking because I got some "Kdeinit could not launch systemsettings5" errors myself, which turned out to be a local problem with the launcher I had previously added to a panel (apparently it was missing the necessary "X-DBUS-ServiceName=org.kde.systemsettings" key). No release manager or release management process would pick up such an issue, no matter how good they are.

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  • GreyGeek
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    Oh, well ... that makes everything all right then!

    (That's how I test run other distros. The ONLY other distro I've actually installed since I first tried Kubuntu 9.04 in Feb of 2009 was Neon.)
    Last edited by GreyGeek; Aug 03, 2018, 10:21 PM.

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  • claydoh
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    Originally posted by GreyGeek View Post
    YOU WHAT?

    Say it isn't so, Joe?

    It *was* on a usb stick mind you.

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  • GreyGeek
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    Originally posted by claydoh View Post
    ....
    (I went so far as to <gasp> run a different distro
    YOU WHAT?

    Say it isn't so, Joe?

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  • claydoh
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    I dunno. Plasma 5 on both Kubuntu and Neon are so trouble free, I never do fresh installs any more, except out of boredom, once (not counting my Chromebook)

    And that one time I thought it was a bad kernel/nvidia driver combo that turned out to be the PC's chassis was preventing the HDMI cable from fully seating.............
    (I went so far as to <gasp> run a different distro

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  • jglen490
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    Originally posted by wizard10000 View Post
    I've worked in IT Service Management for 25 years; when a scheduled release causes a regression it's a problem with the release management process - it's a rule. Either the process has gaps or the process wasn't followed.. The problem isn't the developers, it's the release management process and has about zero to do with volunteer work

    I gave up (again) after 5.12 was released and plasmashell started throwing errors with systemsettings5. After a dozen point releases it's completely unacceptable to me that we've got regressions in basic functionality. This is the same thing that caused me to give up on Plasma 4.8

    Don't get me wrong, KDE is also my favorite desktop but I tried to ask for a refund and they wouldn't give me one

    edit: I really didn't mean to poison this thread; maybe we should start another one if we want to explore this. Or not - we can always agree to disagree
    Sorry wizard10000, but I respectfully disagree. A process does nothing by itself. If a person follows the process and failure results, then the process has failed. if a person does not follow the process and failure results, then the person failed. In this case since the person is a complete volunteer, failure of the person is unavoidable due to extreme resource constraints, and success of the person is because of extreme heroics and has nothing to do with the resource constrained process. Again, that is my opinion!

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  • Snowhog
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    Originally posted by wizard10000 View Post
    Don't get me wrong, KDE is also my favorite desktop but I tried to ask for a refund and they wouldn't give me one
    That's because they didn't know how to refund you the zero dollars you spent on it!

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  • GreyGeek
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    I programmed for 40 years, 15ys running my own programming, consulting and criminal forensics business, if appealing to authority is a bonus.

    The KDE devs are doing an excellent job within the constraints they work under. Bugs happen. So do regressions. And some are related to the Qt API they are using. Some they can fix, some they can work around, and some they can’t fix or work around. Also, Plasma5 works better on some hardware and not so good on others. I primarily use Acers for the last 15-20 years andI’ve had excellent results with both Plasma4 and Plasma five. However, I’m lazy and run pretty much straight vanilla. My HP P1606dn laser jet duplex printer was plugged in when I installed BIONIC and when I opened HPLIP to install it I found that it had been installed automatically. That’s usually been my experience with printers - just plug them and and KDE automatically configures them. When I ran “Ubuntu-drivers autoconfigure” NVidia 390 installed perfectly. And so it goes. Usually, when I have a problem with KDE the root cause is me.

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  • wizard10000
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    Originally posted by GreyGeek View Post
    Hey, dev's aren't perfect, they have lives to live, the work at regular jobs to support themselves and their family and pay the bills, and their time and efforts are freely given. Personally, everything I use in Plasma5 is running perfectly. Plasma5 is the best desktop I've ever used, and I've used them all except Win10.
    I've worked in IT Service Management for 25 years; when a scheduled release causes a regression it's a problem with the release management process - it's a rule. Either the process has gaps or the process wasn't followed.. The problem isn't the developers, it's the release management process and has about zero to do with volunteer work

    I gave up (again) after 5.12 was released and plasmashell started throwing errors with systemsettings5. After a dozen point releases it's completely unacceptable to me that we've got regressions in basic functionality. This is the same thing that caused me to give up on Plasma 4.8

    Don't get me wrong, KDE is also my favorite desktop but I tried to ask for a refund and they wouldn't give me one

    edit: I really didn't mean to poison this thread; maybe we should start another one if we want to explore this. Or not - we can always agree to disagree

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  • GreyGeek
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    Originally posted by wizard10000 View Post
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    And why I walked away from KDE again? Same problem with release management that KDE4 had - they're still releasing broken stuff and after 13 point releases that shouldn't be happening IMO. A shame, really - as I'm a big fan of KDE. It seems with KDE devs that feature set is more important than stability and I just can't work that way
    Hey, dev's aren't perfect, they have lives to live, the work at regular jobs to support themselves and their family and pay the bills, and their time and efforts are freely given. Personally, everything I use in Plasma5 is running perfectly. Plasma5 is the best desktop I've ever used, and I've used them all except Win10.
    Last edited by GreyGeek; Aug 03, 2018, 11:09 AM.

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  • wizard10000
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    Another +1 for mc.

    I'm no longer running KDE (again) but I'm giving reasonably high marks to spacefm as a file manager. Nothing I've seen works better than dolphin, pcmanfm is usually my second choice but is currently impacted by a gvfs "feature" that makes all my shares show up twice in the places section. At least with spacefm I could manually build the bookmark list I needed.

    My understanding is that spacefm is a fork of pcmanfm. One thing spacefm will do that pcmanfm (or thunar) won't is that you can start the application with a split window.

    And why I walked away from KDE again? Same problem with release management that KDE4 had - they're still releasing broken stuff and after 13 point releases that shouldn't be happening IMO. A shame, really - as I'm a big fan of KDE. It seems with KDE devs that feature set is more important than stability and I just can't work that way

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  • kc1di
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    MC is a great tool

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  • GreyGeek
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    +2
    Rod! (One for each post. )


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

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  • Rod J
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    +1 for MC (Midnight Commander)

    It's a good compromise between typing commands and a full gui file manager. Check it out people!

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  • GreyGeek
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    I can't remember names or spellings anymore so I open a Konsole and do "sudo mc". It is a FAST dual panel view of what ever two directories you navigate to. I navigate to and highlight the source file in the left panel and hit the F5 button to move it to the directory I've set up in the right panel. I can highlight multiple files and/or directories. I can elect to keep or modify permissions. I can elect to overwrite or skip existing files. I can change owners and permissions, and much more.

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