Spotify. How can I install the app?

[Bings]

Ok, if you still haven't got it installed. You can try this. Download the zip file attached and extract the file to a folder in Dolphin. Go to properties and make sure the file is executable.

In Dolphin, in the folder you extracted the file to, Press the F4 Key which will open a terminal window underneath. Type the following and press enter

./spotify

This will install flatpak, the flathub repository and Spotify. You will be prompted for your password if you need to install flatpak.

spotify.zip

You can delete the file after you've finished with it.

[ianp5a]

if you are in good contact with the spotify dev's then you should suggest that they put up a .deb insed of just instructions for adding their repository to get the deb ,,,,a posted .deb could add their repo as it installs.

as to gnome-software ,,,,it may not be so easy to install it's self as you keep saying depending on what your running,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

vinny@vinny-Bonobo-Extreme:~$ sudo apt-get -s install gnome-software
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree       
Reading state information... Done
Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
or been moved out of Incoming.
The following information may help to resolve the situation:

The following packages have unmet dependencies:
gnome-software : Depends: appstream but it is not going to be installed
E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.

vinny@vinny-Bonobo-Extreme:~$ sudo apt-get -s install appstream
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree       
Reading state information... Done
appstream is already the newest version (0.11.1-1+16.04+xenial+build22).
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 7 not upgraded.

+ as far as I am concerned "snaps" kinda suck ,,,,you have a complete pseudo linux file system installed under root that opens multiple mounted loop devices for each snap running ,,,AND dose not unmount them when the "snap"is closed ,,,,very untidy ,,,,,and potentially distressing for a newer linux enthusiast when they discover the loop devices and have no idea where they came from.

one would put it in a folder named ,,,O let's say "appimages" along with all the other appimages you have so they are in one nice place...and an appimage willnot brake your distro as it never installs (except for maybe a .desktop file so you have it in your menu of other applications) or alters anything , they are self contained

nonsense,,,,,you start the program by clicking the appimage file or if it was made to install a .desktop file it will be in your menu to launch like any thing else ,,to remove it you just delete the appimage file that should be in your appimage folder with all the rest of them unless your prone to being really messy with your stuff.

I will agree with you that one click solutions are wonderful ,,,but so far this is not entirely possible in all circumstances,,,,and as we are discussing the addition of a third party app ,,,, I would say it's up to them to make it as pane less as possible for the potential customer,,,,,,,,,that said I think they have done a wonderful job of giving instruction on how to add their repo and doing this IS the BEST way to get spotify at the moment ,,,,now IF they would make a down loadable .deb that installed the repo and the client ,,,,that would be the berry's

VINNY

Yes, I already requested they do just as you said. As well as a rpm file. As .rpm files will self install on the rpm distros.

But regarding the appimage, and it's location, your suggestions need to be given to everyone when they first encounter them. Not here. Not to me.

They 'all' could behave like debs, and save people needing to find out what they have to do.

[ianp5a]

You can have an Appimage anywhere. In the file manager (Dolphin), right click the AppImage file, click properties (bottom option), click the permissions tab and make sure "is executable" is checked. Once that is, double click the appimage file and it will run.

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Yes. As I wrote in my post above, execute permission is the easy bit.

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[vinnywright]

Regarding Spotify, I have requested that they change their Linux instructions. Which they did already. There is more to be done regarding Flatpak, deb and rpm though. We'll see how that goes.

Currently, it seems, the easiest way for non IT people to install Spotify on Kubuntu is to first install Gnome Software. Which has the Spotify snap in, ready to install. All familiar, user friendly tools that guide the user.

if you are in good contact with the spotify dev's then you should suggest that they put up a .deb insed of just instructions for adding their repository to get the deb ,,,,a posted .deb could add their repo as it installs.

as to gnome-software ,,,,it may not be so easy to install it's self as you keep saying depending on what your running,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

vinny@vinny-Bonobo-Extreme:~$ sudo apt-get -s install gnome-software
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree       
Reading state information... Done
Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
or been moved out of Incoming.
The following information may help to resolve the situation:

The following packages have unmet dependencies:
gnome-software : Depends: appstream but it is not going to be installed
E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.

vinny@vinny-Bonobo-Extreme:~$ sudo apt-get -s install appstream
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree       
Reading state information... Done
appstream is already the newest version (0.11.1-1+16.04+xenial+build22).
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 7 not upgraded.

+ as far as I am concerned "snaps" kinda suck ,,,,you have a complete pseudo linux file system installed under root that opens multiple mounted loop devices for each snap running ,,,AND dose not unmount them when the "snap"is closed ,,,,very untidy ,,,,,and potentially distressing for a newer linux enthusiast when they discover the loop devices and have no idea where they came from.

Thanks. That is what I'd hoped. However Appimage is more work and knowledge and worry than a deb. Which just installs itself!
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I've downloaded say, Etcher, and extracted it. Now I have to put it somewhere, I suppose. I have no idea where all the other applications are? I don't want it getting accidentally deleted from the desktop. Or mixed up with my documents. I don't want to put it among all the system files that need root access. In case it breaks my distro.

one would put it in a folder named ,,,O let's say "appimages" along with all the other appimages you have so they are in one nice place...and an appimage willnot brake your distro as it never installs (except for maybe a .desktop file so you have it in your menu of other applications) or alters anything , they are self contained

So where does it belong?
It's easy to give it execute permission. But that's more steps to do. And then, how do I start the program? Normally it's there in the launcher menu. And then months down the line, I want to remove it, how do I do that? Where is it? Do I have loads of appimages? Can I see what I've got?
All those steps and questions are covered consistently by the software manager normally. Say for a Discover app, or a ppa or a downloaded .deb. But an appimage is not clear, and requires much more unnecessary memorising.

nonsense,,,,,you start the program by clicking the appimage file or if it was made to install a .desktop file it will be in your menu to launch like any thing else ,,to remove it you just delete the appimage file that should be in your appimage folder with all the rest of them unless your prone to being really messy with your stuff.

I will agree with you that one click solutions are wonderful ,,,but so far this is not entirely possible in all circumstances,,,,and as we are discussing the addition of a third party app ,,,, I would say it's up to them to make it as pane less as possible for the potential customer,,,,,,,,,that said I think they have done a wonderful job of giving instruction on how to add their repo and doing this IS the BEST way to get spotify at the moment ,,,,now IF they would make a down loadable .deb that installed the repo and the client ,,,,that would be the berry's

VINNY

[Bings]

You can have an Appimage anywhere. In the file manager (Dolphin), right click the AppImage file, click properties (bottom option), click the permissions tab and make sure "is executable" is checked. Once that is, double click the appimage file and it will run.

[ianp5a]

If GUI easy is the goal then AppImage is the solution.
Download with the browser.
Use Dolphin to set the execute permission bit, the click (or double-click) on the file to cause it to run.
Don’t want it any more? Use Dolphin to delete the AppImage. Done.
No command line, no additional files to add or remove or autoremove.
No loop drives hanging around and eating resources.
Nice, neat and clean. Nothing but the app’s AppImage.

AppImages would eliminate the need for 90% of the packages in the repository, leaving only those related to the kernel, the DE and device drivers.
AppImages would offload a lot of work KDE devs spend getting app packages to work with KDE.

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Thanks. That is what I'd hoped. However Appimage is more work and knowledge and worry than a deb. Which just installs itself!
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I've downloaded say, Etcher, and extracted it. Now I have to put it somewhere, I suppose. I have no idea where all the other applications are? I don't want it getting accidentally deleted from the desktop. Or mixed up with my documents. I don't want to put it among all the system files that need root access. In case it breaks my distro.

So where does it belong?
It's easy to give it execute permission. But that's more steps to do. And then, how do I start the program? Normally it's there in the launcher menu. And then months down the line, I want to remove it, how do I do that? Where is it? Do I have loads of appimages? Can I see what I've got?
All those steps and questions are covered consistently by the software manager normally. Say for a Discover app, or a ppa or a downloaded .deb. But an appimage is not clear, and requires much more unnecessary memorising.

[GreyGeek]

If GUI easy is the goal then AppImage is the solution.
Download with the browser.
Use Dolphin to set the execute permission bit, the click (or double-click) on the file to cause it to run.
Don’t want it any more? Use Dolphin to delete the AppImage. Done.
No command line, no additional files to add or remove or autoremove.
No loop drives hanging around and eating resources.
Nice, neat and clean. Nothing but the app’s AppImage.

AppImages would eliminate the need for 90% of the packages in the repository, leaving only those related to the kernel, the DE and device drivers.
AppImages would offload a lot of work KDE devs spend getting app packages to work with KDE.



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[ianp5a]

Let’s all take a breath. There is no need to have this become a testy exchange. It is hard to gauge what was or was not intended (if in deed, anything was intended at all) in written communication.

This is KFN, and one of our hallmarks is our tolerance. It makes us unique amongst almost all other forums. Let’s do our best to ensure we remain so.

Thank you.

Thanks. I'll try to explain.
I think we all appreciate the knowledgeable and enthusiastic help that members provide. However, solutions suitable for experienced users, are often inappropriate for people without any IT training.
Fortunately, other people have put in a lot of hard work to make Kubuntu easy to use without any IT training. So that it's not necessary to use special tools like the command line. This is a UI that doesn't offer any cues as to what to do. It does not tolerate mistakes. And requires users to have knowledge of the commands from somewhere. So it is a huge barrier to someone who has never seen it before. In the usability world, such barriers should be avoided.

It is therefore important to understand the level of skill of the user, before recommending a method. If you assume they know as much as you do, when they are a newbie, it's can be very off putting for them. With the danger that they give up on Kubuntu, telling others it has poor usability and hard to use. And eventually having a gradual negative effect on the number of people using Linux.

The community has seen this happen over many years, with enthusiasts giving out misinformation like "Linux is all about the command line", "if you don't like it, go back to Windows or Mac". This is painful to watch when you have put a lot of effort into making Linux easy to use.

So if there is an easy way, never suggest a command line solution to a non IT person. Yes, some might accept it. Some have been told it's important to learn. But generally avoid it. And then we can hope to grow the number of users on Linux.

Regarding Spotify, I have requested that they change their Linux instructions. Which they did already. There is more to be done regarding Flatpak, deb and rpm though. We'll see how that goes.

Currently, it seems, the easiest way for non IT people to install Spotify on Kubuntu is to first install Gnome Software. Which has the Spotify snap in, ready to install. All familiar, user friendly tools that guide the user.

[Snowhog]

Let’s all take a breath. There is no need to have this become a testy exchange. It is hard to gauge what was or was not intended (if in deed, anything was intended at all) in written communication.

This is KFN, and one of our hallmarks is our tolerance. It makes us unique amongst almost all other forums. Let’s do our best to ensure we remain so.

Thank you.

[SpecialEd]

That attitude isn't necessary.

What attitude? That was a serious suggestion. Contributers here have been very patient. He asked for help and received it. He didn't like that and asked for a deb file. He was given a link but it was too difficult. He was spoon-fed the instructions for the deb file and still it was not to his liking, insisting they were not for "normal" users. So as I stated, the goalposts kept moving so maybe Linux isn't for him?

It's interesting you found "attitude" in my post but not in the one above it or from the OP's responses?

[Bings]

It's hard to score when the goal posts keep moving.

Have you considered Apple/Mac?

That attitude isn't necessary.

[SpecialEd]

It's hard to score when the goal posts keep moving.

Have you considered Apple/Mac?

[vinnywright]

I'm glad you added some of the missing information.
But you omitted what to do with the error messages people have been reporting.

and what error messages are these and where?

And besides, faffing around with the command line, is not something normal users should be expected to do. There are easier ways.

and what pray tell are these O wise one ,,,,and do point us in the proper direction wile your at it

VINNY

[ianp5a]

The instructions are not ‘incomplete’.

Open a konsole.

Copy/paste step #1 and press Enter.
Copy/paste step #2 and press Enter.
Copy/paste step #3 and press Enter.
Copy/paste step #4 and press Enter.

I'm glad you added some of the missing information.
But you omitted what to do with the error messages people have been reporting.

And besides, faffing around with the command line, is not something normal users should be expected to do. There are easier ways.

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[Snowhog]

The instructions are not ‘incomplete’.

Open a konsole.

Copy/paste step #1 and press Enter.
Copy/paste step #2 and press Enter.
Copy/paste step #3 and press Enter.
Copy/paste step #4 and press Enter.