Gimp, Okular, dist-upgrade, Muon issues

[Fintan]

I installed 16.10 a few days ago. so far ok except for a few things.

Gimp, Okular (was not included in install), Muon Package manager are the packages I have so far not been able to find in "discover". I am sure there are more.

I usually do my updates with:
sudo apt-get update && sudo dist-upgrade


This doesn't work either and comes back with a command not found error.

Any ideas?

[acheron]

I usually do my updates with:
sudo apt-get update && sudo dist-upgrade


This doesn't work either and comes back with a command not found error.

Your command is incomplete. It should be:

sudo apt-get update && sudo [B]apt-get[/B] dist-upgrade

Regards discover, yes that is frequently awkward with not finding things it really should.

sudo apt-get install muon

for a better package manager than discover currently is.

Personally, although it is GTK and old and a bit clunky, I tend to use synaptic, as it just works reliably.

[Fintan]

Thanks for pointing the copy/paste error. Duh!

sudo apt-get install muon says it will install muon updater, but it acrually does install the package manager.

Thanks for that as well!

[acheron]

Thanks for pointing the copy/paste error. Duh!

sudo apt-get install muon says it will install muon updater, but it acrually does install the package manager.

Thanks for that as well!

muon-updater is a muon 'recommends' as a transitional dummy package for plasma-discover.

as such you could if you want skip it by passing --no-install-recommends or removing it afterwards. It should not do any harm to leave it though.

[Fintan]

Thank you for that as well. I actually prfer muon package manager to discover

[dequire]

for a better package manager than discover currently is. Personally, although it is GTK and old and a bit clunky, I tend to use synaptic, as it just works reliably.

It is a bit unfair to call Discover a package manager. It is, in fact, an application installer / store and not a package manager. Back when Discover was called 'muon discover', it was designed to be different from 'muon package manager' from the start. It's goal is to gain further integration with KDE by, for example, integrating the KDE online store presence by integrating various 3rd-party application sources, like https://store.kde.org, for example. Something that muon will never try to do, being a standard package manager.

Just wanted to clarify.

[acheron]

It is a bit unfair to call Discover a package manager. It is, in fact, an application installer / store and not a package manager.

It's the default package management option offered by KDE, so whatever else it might be or is becoming, it retains that place at the moment.

Which is what I was referring to, insomuch that there are non default options that are a "better package manager than discover currently is".

I'm aware of what discover is becoming and following that closely.

[wizard10000]

...I'm aware of what discover is becoming and following that closely.

I followed it for about ten minutes then uninstalled it. Like acheron and maybe some others, I don't mind using a GTK+ application if I feel it fits my workflow better; which is why synaptic is installed on my machine and muon is not

[sithlord48]

you don't have to use apt-get anymore you can use APT for all you install needs

apt update
apt install
apt search
apt full-upgrade
apt upgrade
apt autoremove

[acheron]

I followed it for about ten minutes then uninstalled it.

LOL. I 'follow' it's development progress as I need to, but don't tend to use it much myself apart from testing etc.

you don't have to use apt-get anymore you can use APT for all you install needs

Indeed. Some habits die hard though.

[wizard10000]

you don't have to use apt-get anymore you can use APT for all you install needs.

Actually, apt doesn't have feature parity with apt-get; from man(8) apt:

The apt command is meant to be pleasant for end users and does not need to be backward compatible like apt-get(8).

There are a couple dozen things you can do with apt-get that you can't do with apt, but for 95% of package management apt works just fine.

[vinnywright]

you don't have to use apt-get anymore you can use APT for all you install needs

apt update
apt install
apt search
apt full-upgrade
apt upgrade
apt autoremove

do not forget "apt show" one of my favorites

VINNY

[GreyGeek]

Indeed. Some habits die hard though.

They sure do! My fingers don't need to be told what to type when I want to install upgrades, they just start typing...

[Fintan]

Thanks for all the input guys. Very enlightening. In my opinion a application installer / store should at least have packages like Okular and gimp when searched for. So for me muon is the better fit. Otherwise of course apt-get (apt).