I have used Kubuntu over many years but trying to install Kubuntu 15.04 64 bit I noticed that the option to install side by side had been removed. Does anybody know why? I have several other Linux distros including Ubuntu 14.04 and Zorin 9 so I really don't want to use the manual option if I don't have to and risk screwing those up.
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Surely somebody knows the answer? If I am forced to used manual mode can somebody talk me through it?Last edited by tomp01; Jun 18, 2015, 04:40 AM. -
I don't know about the side-by-side option as I always use Manual. Imo, Manual is easy because you control everything.
First partition your drive to allow for Kubuntu 15.04.
Then install 15.04 (using Manual).
To partition your HDD (I assume you have just one HDD as you didn't say anything was special about your setup), do this as a separate step--for ease, for safety, and, again, to control things. Use GParted live CD/USB. The versions are here:
http://gparted.org/download.php
For newer machines, as it says, and for UEFI, use the amd64 as it says.
General info, manuals here:
http://gparted.org/livecd.php
So download, that, check the md5 or shasums to make sure it is good, then burn it to a CD using K3b or make a flash drive as it explains.
Run GParted live CD and make partitions for your 15.04:
root partition / (format as ext4)
/home partition (do you use a separate /home usually?) (format as ext4)
swap (you can share one swap partition for several Linux OSs, so maybe you already have one set up?).
When that's done, exit GParted, remove the CD, place the 15.04 DVD (or USB) in the computer, re-boot and go through installation using Manual. When asked, do not let the installer re-format root / and /home. It may want to re-format /swap, that's OK.
If you have UEFI booting on your PC, make sure to boot the 15.04 DVD, enter your computer's firmware setup menu, and select to boot the UEFI version of your DVD so you will have a full UEFI installation of 15.04.
That's the outline.
(edit, fixed spelling, it should be UEFI)Last edited by Qqmike; Jun 18, 2015, 07:03 AM.An intellectual says a simple thing in a hard way. An artist says a hard thing in a simple way. Charles BukowskiComment
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I actually have two hard drives, one with Windows 10 on it and the other with Ubuntu 14.04, Zorin 9 and Linux Mint 17. I have used the side by side option over many years without any problems, which is why I just can't understand why it has been removed. If I use the Manual option what are the mount points for root, home and swap? Are they just /root, /home and /swap?Originally posted by TeunisComment
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The Kubuntu root filesystem is just /.what are the mount points for root, home and swap? Are they just /root, /home and /swap?
/home
/swap
The Kubuntu installer will show these to you so you won't have to type them.
I have not checked the side-by-side option, I'm suprised no one has chimed in here.
If you have Ubuntu 14.04, you can install gparted in it, then use it to do this partitioning (as long as you are not changing any existing partitions, just adding new ones using the "unallocated" space on your drive)--no need for a live GParted CD, but it is nice to do it that way.
If you have Windows 10, I'll bet for sure you are booting your PC using the newer UEFI mode with a GPT partition table -- the new setup being used now. So when you boot your Kubuntu installer DVD/USB, do make sure you are booting it in UEFI/EFI mode. Do so by: re-boot with the DVD in the tray, enter your firmware setup (what we used to call BIOS setup), find a boot menu or a boot override menu, find your Kubuntu DVD in that list, and click the version of that DVD in that list that says something about EFI or UEFI. That way, you will boot and install Kubuntu in UEFI mode.An intellectual says a simple thing in a hard way. An artist says a hard thing in a simple way. Charles BukowskiComment
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If you boot 14.04, and run at a terminal
sudo fdisk -l /dev/sda
sudo gdisk -l /dev/sda
and do the same for sdb, it will show you if you have a GPT (= GUID Partition Table, used by the UEFI firmware).
It will also show if you have the special ESP partition needed by UEFI (which I'm sure is already there, as Windows uses it, too): ESP =EFI System Partition, usually small, like 100-500 MB, FAT32, sometimes called the System Partition by Windows. (You could post that output here, between code tags, if you want. Maybe you already know about all this UEFI+GPT stuff.)An intellectual says a simple thing in a hard way. An artist says a hard thing in a simple way. Charles BukowskiComment
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Actually the PC I have is pre-EUFI, Windows 10 runs fine on that setup. I used GParted on Zorin 9 to clear out some old partitions and get some more free space. I am still baffled as to why the only options now are to install Kubuntu on the entire hard drive thus wiping off everything else or usng the manual installation option. I have installed God knows how many distroes over the years using the side by side option and never encountered any problems.Originally posted by Qqmike View PostLast edited by tomp01; Jun 18, 2015, 09:02 AM.Comment
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I have managed to install the 64bit version using the manual option, seems ok so far!Comment
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Good!An intellectual says a simple thing in a hard way. An artist says a hard thing in a simple way. Charles BukowskiComment
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I see you must have figured out the screen showing all your partitions, including those you made with gparted. Takes a few minutes to figure it out the first couple times through it. Highlight a partition, then the "change" [this partition] option got me stuck for awhile, until I clicked it! ;-) But you can see why a lot of long-time users here prefer to do their own partitioning (and mostly with GParted live or gparted), then start up the installer DVD and use the Manual mode: you know exactly what is going on, nothing left to chance.An intellectual says a simple thing in a hard way. An artist says a hard thing in a simple way. Charles BukowskiComment
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The problem I have is that it should be as easy as possible for people new to Linux and Kubuntu to install it. That was why the side by side option was so valuable, in my opinion.Originally posted by Qqmike View PostComment
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That's a good point. We can't expect the average user to re-partition her/his HDD before installing Kubuntu! Kubuntu should go alongside Windows as a dual boot.
Now [devil's advocate enters ... ], your case: TWO HDDs, Windows, plus several OSs! Anyone doing that should do their own partitioning, and has the skills to do so.
If the Kubuntu installer were to offer a side-by-side option in your case, what would it be? Alongside Windows? alongside the other Linux OSs? which drive? I'm trying to think of this from the POV of a programmer writing the code to step the user through the logic and the side-by-side choices -- or would we want the installer to make these choices for us? Not me! No way! Some people might want all their Linux OSs on one drive, Windows on the other drive; some might want Windows sharing a HDD with their favorite Linux OS and their "other/experimental" OSs on a second, dedicated drive. And so on. (Been there, sometimes having 5-10 Linux OSs installed, along with XP.)
So, I'm not sure what the right way to do this should be in more complicated cases. I wonder this: suppose you only had Windows 10. Would the Kubuntu installer then have offered you a side-by-side option? Maybe. I don't know, but I suspect the answer is a "yes." If not, then THAT is definitely a problem with the installer.An intellectual says a simple thing in a hard way. An artist says a hard thing in a simple way. Charles BukowskiComment
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I'll have to check, but there still are multiple install options, perhaps they have just changed the name or description. I do recall a number of "guided" options in Ubiquity.
But, yeah, once there is more than one or 2 OSs installed already, one probably should use custom settings just to make sure nothing unwanted happens.
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I just re-booted with the Kubuntu 15.04 (live) USB installation flash drive. Clicked Install Kubuntu.
I have on my one and only HDD just two instances of Kubuntu OSs, no Windows, nothing else, plenty of room for another OS.
I see just four install options: three are "Guided" (one is entire disk, then entire disk w/LVM, and one with entire disk w/encryption) -- I clicked each one to see the graphic of the HDD showing before and after, just to confirm the options as far as disk space; the fourth option is the "Manual" one. That's all the options I see on my setup here. No side-by-side option. If that's the case, is that good for a new user wanting to dual boot one Windows with just Kubuntu? OTOH, if you wish to have a separate /home partition, you'd have to use the Manual option anyway.An intellectual says a simple thing in a hard way. An artist says a hard thing in a simple way. Charles BukowskiComment
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