Trusty hange -- how to find out why?

[joneall]

Every now and then, maybe after 5 minutes or maybe after 3 hours, the system hangs completely. The keyboard and mouse are ignored. All I can do is push the button.

How do I find out why? I do not see anything in syslog since the last boot info.

This is particularly annoying as my grub screen is useless, as explained at

Grub does not allow choice (https://www.kubuntuforums.net/showth...t-allow-choice)

so I can neither use the 14.04 system nor get to my older 13.04 one.

(How do I make a link in the forum so that the article title shows rather than the URL?)

[Snowhog]

To create a hyperlink you first type what you want others to see:

This is my hyperlink

Then, select the text and click on the hyperlink icon and type or post the URL you want to use.

[joneall]

It's just that I do not see any icon like that.

Also, how do I start analyzing my hangs, which still occur very randomly with a newly installed system?

[joneall]

It's just that I do not see any icon like that.

Could it be because at the bottom of the screen in the Posting Permissions it says "HTML code is off"? If so, how to get it "on"?

[joneall]

Still hanging...

Anyway, back to the main issue, the hang.

I have croned a small script to print out the result of

top -b -n 1 | head -15

every five minutes, but do not notice anything regular in there.

I started up the System Activity window and left it visible on all desktops. At the last hang, which occurred spontaneously while I was taking a nap (essential for us older retirees), the plasma-desktop line was selected, tho it was not at the top of the list.

I can find nothing interesting in the logs, but since I do not know what I am looking for, it is like the proverbial haystack.

I installed another system, Debian wheezy, on another partition and it seems to stand up longer, tho I am not sure of that. It eventually hangs too, which suggests a hardware problem.

I ran Memtest86+, but it tests only 3GB of memory: first 0-2GB, then 2-3GB. Never touches 3-4GB. Why is that? I have 4GB installed.

So opened 50 or so photos with Gimp and managed to push the memory usage up to 3.9 GB (according to the top command) or 80% of 4GB (according to the monitor widget). No problem.

Any suggestions would be appreciated.

[jlittle]

Is this a 32- or 64-bit system?
As 32-bit will not adress much over 3GB of RAM.

I thought that wasn't true with PAE kernels, as are all Ubuntu ones now?

Regards, John Little

[joneall]

Yes, maybe a memory problem

Is this a 32- or 64-bit system?

64 bit.

Thanks for your suggestions. Will run memtest for a longer period.

I left it running for the night with Lxde and it hung only between 22:45 and 22:50 (between 2 crons). What I saw was interesting -- a gradual increase in the memory used from 1811864 at 15:15, to 3765740 just before the crash. Could point to a high-end memory problem.

$ grep buffers top-batch-1404-15to22.out
KiB Mem: 4046992 total, 1811864 used, 2235128 free, 137536 buffers
KiB Mem: 4046992 total, 2342028 used, 1704964 free, 141164 buffers
KiB Mem: 4046992 total, 2471460 used, 1575532 free, 142036 buffers
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[GreyGeek]

Some possibilities:
Temperature problem; Install a temperature widget in the panel at the bottom of the screen and watch it. I had a similar hang problem (with the occasional crash) that forced a reboot. The only events shown in the logs was the "shut down" and reboot. That widget allowed me to see the temp on the CPU rise. The max allowed for my i73610QM CPU is 105C. I started noticing problems around 90C. At 95C momentary video (Intel HD4000) hangs would occur. At 100C the mouse and keyboard response was jumpy. I never saw it get to 105C. Sometime after 95C was reached everything would freeze or the computer would spontaneously reboot. I got a can of air and blew a ton of dust out of my vents. That cured my temp problem.

Video chip; Usually caused by the driver. Tears in the high res when an app like Stellarium or GoogleEarth was running. Momentary hangs of the mouse or keyboard. Updating or downgrading the video driver solved it. If you disable desktop effects (which stops 3D graphics from being evoked) and your hangs stops then your video chip is probably the cause. Using"modinfo i915" (or what ever your video driver is named) shows what params, if any can be tinkered with. My i915 gives this:

[FONT=courier new][B]-$ modinfo i915[/B][/FONT]

filename:       /lib/modules/3.13.0-24-generic/kernel/drivers/gpu/drm/i915/i915.ko
license:        GPL and additional rights
description:    Intel Graphics
author:         Tungsten Graphics, Inc.
license:        GPL and additional rights
srcversion:     C6C6D0B5224D5DF3DCE1AE6
alias:          pci:v00008086d00000155sv*sd*bc03sc*i*
...<snip most aliases for device listings>
alias:          pci:v00008086d00003577sv*sd*bc03sc*i*
depends:        drm_kms_helper,drm,video,i2c-algo-bit
intree:         Y
vermagic:       3.13.0-24-generic SMP mod_unload modversions 
signer:         Magrathea: Glacier signing key
sig_key:        00:A5:A6:57:59:DE:47:4B:C5:C4:31:20:88:0C:1B:94:A5:39:F4:31
sig_hashalgo:   sha512
parm:           invert_brightness:Invert backlight brightness (-1 force normal, 0 machine defaults, 1 force inversion), please report PCI device ID, subsystem vendor and subsystem device ID to dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org, if your machine needs it. It will then be included in an upcoming module version. (int)
parm:           modeset:Use kernel modesetting [KMS] (0=DRM_I915_KMS from .config, 1=on, -1=force vga console preference [default]) (int)
parm:           fbpercrtc:int
parm:           panel_ignore_lid:Override lid status (0=autodetect, 1=autodetect disabled [default], -1=force lid closed, -2=force lid open) (int)
parm:           powersave:Enable powersavings, fbc, downclocking, etc. (default: true) (int)
parm:           semaphores:Use semaphores for inter-ring sync (default: -1 (use per-chip defaults)) (int)
parm:           i915_enable_rc6:Enable power-saving render C-state 6. Different stages can be selected via bitmask values (0 = disable; 1 = enable rc6; 2 = enable deep rc6; 4 = enable deepest rc6). For example, 3 would enable rc6 and deep rc6, and 7 would enable everything. default: -1 (use per-chip default) (int)
parm:           i915_enable_fbc:Enable frame buffer compression for power savings (default: -1 (use per-chip default)) (int)
parm:           lvds_downclock:Use panel (LVDS/eDP) downclocking for power savings (default: false) (int)
parm:           lvds_channel_mode:Specify LVDS channel mode (0=probe BIOS [default], 1=single-channel, 2=dual-channel) (int)
parm:           lvds_use_ssc:Use Spread Spectrum Clock with panels [LVDS/eDP] (default: auto from VBT) (int)
parm:           vbt_sdvo_panel_type:Override/Ignore selection of SDVO panel mode in the VBT (-2=ignore, -1=auto [default], index in VBT BIOS table) (int)
parm:           reset:Attempt GPU resets (default: true) (bool)
parm:           enable_hangcheck:Periodically check GPU activity for detecting hangs. WARNING: Disabling this can cause system wide hangs. (default: true) (bool)
parm:           i915_enable_ppgtt:Enable PPGTT (default: true) (int)
parm:           enable_psr:Enable PSR (default: false) (int)
parm:           preliminary_hw_support:Enable preliminary hardware support. (int)
parm:           disable_power_well:Disable the power well when possible (default: true) (int)
parm:           enable_ips:Enable IPS (default: true) (int)
parm:           fastboot:Try to skip unnecessary mode sets at boot time (default: false) (bool)
parm:           enable_pc8:Enable support for low power package C states (PC8+) (default: true) (int)
parm:           pc8_timeout:Number of msecs of idleness required to enter PC8+ (default: 5000) (int)
parm:           prefault_disable:Disable page prefaulting for pread/pwrite/reloc (default:false). For developers only. (bool)

Setting a param in the grub boot line or in the options file can solve it:
http://xmodulo.com/2013/11/add-kerne...rub-linux.html
or, set an optin line in a *.conf file in /etc/modprobe.d/. Take a look at some of them for examples of how to do it. You can create your own somename.conf file in that directory and put your "option i915 someparam=somevalue" in it. If not "i915" then what ever kernel module your video driver uses.

A particular app; Some hangs and crashes are related to a particular app. Most of the tiime it is obvious, but sometimes, if you are running more than one app at the same time, determining which one, or combination, is responsible for the troubles can be problematic.

A RAM problem; Some RAM problems only appear when memory usage invades the blocks where the problem is, usually when running a memory intensive graphical application or having several apps open at once and switching frequently between them. Some problems are temperature dependent. Start the mem86+ RAM test and let it run for a day or two. If you have a heat gun block your air vent to let the computer get hotter and use the gun to test the air coming out of the vents. (It would be nice if memtest included a cpu temp display)

A couple of helpful sites:
http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/TroubleShooting/

http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/HangDiagnosis/

[oshunluvr]

Regarding the RAM error: Unless you're running a single stick; the best way to test RAM is remove one stick, then the other, until the problem goes away. If it doesn't, it's not the RAM.

[marshallbanana]

I had same issue and it was due to the nvidia driver. Try switching to use the nouvea driver and see if you keep getting the hangs. If not then at least you have located the source. If it still hangs periodically then the problem must be something else. Fortunately with Trusty the new hardware driver manager app makes this super easy.

(I am currently using the nouvea driver, until I can be bothered trying to fix the issue)

[joneall]

Video driver

Actually, I was having the problem with the new Nouveau (that's redundant) driver. I just switched to the NVidia one 2 hours ago to see if that was part of the problem. So far, so good, but it's too soon to tell.

Thanks for the tip!

[joneall]

hardware driver manager app

Fortunately with Trusty the new hardware driver manager app makes this super easy.

I can't find that. Where is it or what is it called?

Oops, I just found it.

[SteveRiley]

Another idea...

On my T520 with nVidia 4200M, I installed the latest 3.14 kernel from the Ubuntu mainline kernel PPA. I would get frequent hangs whenever my laptop was in its dock, which has two monitors connected via HDMI. I replaced the 3.14 kernel with a 3.15 kernel and the hangs disappeared.

[joneall]

Might be Nvidia driver problem

Another idea...

On my T520 with nVidia 4200M, I installed the latest 3.14 kernel from the Ubuntu mainline kernel PPA. I would get frequent hangs whenever my laptop was in its dock, which has two monitors connected via HDMI. I replaced the 3.14 kernel with a 3.15 kernel and the hangs disappeared.

Thanks for the suggestion, Steve, Sounds interesting, but this Ubuntu page

http://askubuntu.com/questions/16261...inline-kernels

says they are "not supported and must be used at your own risk" and that they may break drivers, especially nvidia, which may be my problem.

Actually, I had been using the so-called Nouveau driver and decided to install the Nvidida 331 driver to give it a try. The machnie actually held for over 2 days. It finally died when I had a half dozen or so Firefox windows open, each with a dozen or so tabs. I often see Firefox using more CPU than anybody else. Guess I should reduce my usage there.

I seem to have read somewhere that the Nvidia driver actually replaces Xorg. Is that true? If Kubuntu drops Xorg, that could be problematic.

[SteveRiley]

says they are "not supported and must be used at your own risk"

In Canonical-speak, that means that if you are a business paying for support, you will not receive support if you install one of these kernels. I suspect this is not your case. You can use these newer kernels and we'll still support you just fine here at Kubuntu Forum, and Ubuntu Forum will also help you out

and that they may break drivers

Standard boiler-plate language. The only way to know is to try. Fortunately, installing a newer kernel from here doesn't remove the existing one you already have. So there's no risk involved in experimenting with it.

I seem to have read somewhere that the Nvidia driver actually replaces Xorg. Is that true?

With what? The article you read is quite mistaken. I'm running the 337 driver and absolutely still have Xorg. In fact, if you look at the dependencies, you'll see that the nVidia binary driver package depends on Xorg.

Actually, I had been using the so-called Nouveau driver and decided to install the Nvidida 331 driver to give it a try.

I've been using *buntu with nVidia ever since I started my Linux journey, always on various flavors of ThinkPads. I am a fan of fresh Xorg and fresh kernels. My suggestion is that you:

1. Purge any nVidia binary packages (and related things like the settings one) currently installed
2. Boot the system and let it sort itself back to Nouveau temporarily
3. Enable the Xorg-Edgers PPA. It's the best place to get updated nVidia drivers and newer Xorg components
4. Install nvidia-337. The installer will automatically blacklist Nouveau
4. Install the most recent 3.15 kernel. Don't worry that it has "Utopic" in its name. On any given release, it's fine to run release+1 kernels