KDE 4.10.0 - Unable to minimize anything, Dual Screen Problems

[ScottyK]

This morning my computer updated to KDE 4.10.0

After reboot, I noticed that on my dual screen system, everything was opening as full screen on one of the monitors.

Each program open had no Minimize/maximize or close button at the Top Right.

Each program opens on top of the other one, and I'm unable to switch to the previous program.

Also, I've noticed that I'm unable to use the virtual desktops. When I try to set up a second virtual desktop and hit "apply", it defaults back to one virtual desktop.

Any fixes for this, or just sit patiently for the 4.10.1 release?

Thanks!

[dmeyer]

Not a KDE issue. You have another problem.

Are other desktop effects working etc? It sort of feels like you aren't using Kwin and window decorations. So check both in your settings. Then report back. Also what activity are you in?

[Arran]

I had the same more than unpleasant experience today. Far more, the program now does not even accept the keyboard, despite me typing the passwort while starting.

Here is the content of the console for the dist-upgrade:

Die folgenden Pakete werden ENTFERNT:
  gimp gimp-dimage-color gimp-gap gimp-gmic gimp-plugin-registry gimp-texturize gimp-ufraw marble pandora
Die folgenden NEUEN Pakete werden installiert:
  kmahjongg-data libegl1-mesa libegl1-mesa-drivers libgbm1 libkactivities-models1 libkipi10 libkmahjongglib-data
  libnepomukwidgets4 libokularcore2abi1 libopenvg1-mesa libpimcommon4 libqaccessibilityclient0 libqapt2
  libqapt2-runtime libqextserialport1 libwayland0 libxcb-damage0 libxcb-xfixes0
Die folgenden Pakete sind zurückgehalten worden:
  marble-plugins
Die folgenden Pakete werden aktualisiert (Upgrade):
  akonadi-backend-mysql akonadi-server akregator ark audiocd-kio dolphin dragonplayer firefox firefox-globalmenu
  firefox-locale-de firefox-locale-en freespacenotifier gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad gstreamer0.10-qapt gwenview
  jovie kaccessible kaddressbook kajongg kalarm kamera kate kate-data katepart kcalc kcharselect
  kde-base-artwork kde-baseapps-bin kde-baseapps-data kde-runtime kde-runtime-data kde-style-oxygen
  kde-wallpapers-default kde-window-manager kde-window-manager-common kde-workspace kde-workspace-bin
  kde-workspace-data kde-workspace-kgreet-plugins kde-zeroconf kdegames-card-data kdegames-data
  kdegames-mahjongg-data kdegraphics-strigi-analyzer kdelibs-bin kdelibs5-data kdelibs5-plugins
  kdemultimedia-kio-plugins kdenetwork-filesharing kdepasswd kdepim-kresources kdepim-runtime
  kdepim-strigi-plugins kdepimlibs-kio-plugins kdoctools kfind khelpcenter4 kinfocenter klipper kmag kmahjongg
  kmail kmenuedit kmix kmousetool kmouth knotes kolf kompare konq-plugins konqueror konqueror-nsplugins konsole
  kontact korganizer kpat kppp krdc kruler kshisen ksnapshot ksysguard ksysguardd ksystemlog kttsd
  kwalletmanager libakonadi-calendar4 libakonadi-contact4 libakonadi-kabc4 libakonadi-kcal4 libakonadi-kde4
  libakonadi-kmime4 libakonadi-notes4 libakonadiprotocolinternals1 libaudiocdplugins4 libcalendarsupport4
  libeventviews4 libgimp2.0 libgpgme++2 libgstreamer-plugins-bad0.10-0 libibus-1.0-0 libincidenceeditorsng4
  libkabc4 libkactivities-bin libkactivities6 libkalarmcal2 libkasten2controllers2 libkasten2core2
  libkasten2gui2 libkasten2okteta1controllers1 libkasten2okteta1core1 libkasten2okteta1gui1 libkateinterfaces4
  libkatepartinterfaces4 libkblog4 libkcal4 libkcalcore4 libkcalutils4 libkcddb4 libkcmutils4 libkcompactdisc4
  libkdcraw-data libkde3support4 libkdeclarative5 libkdecorations4abi1 libkdecore5 libkdegames6
  libkdegamesprivate1 libkdepim4 libkdepimdbusinterfaces4 libkdesu5 libkdeui5 libkdewebkit5 libkdgantt2
  libkdnssd4 libkemoticons4 libkephal4abi1 libkexiv2-11 libkexiv2-data libkfile4 libkholidays4 libkhtml5
  libkidletime4 libkimap4 libkio5 libkipi-data libkjsapi4 libkjsembed4 libkldap4 libkleo4 libkmahjongglib4
  libkmanagesieve4 libkmbox4 libkmediaplayer4 libkmime4 libknewstuff2-4 libknewstuff3-4 libknotifyconfig4
  libkntlm4 libkonq-common libkonq5-templates libkonq5abi1 libkonqsidebarplugin4a libkontactinterface4
  libkparts4 libkpgp4 libkpimidentities4 libkpimtextedit4 libkpimutils4 libkprintutils4 libkpty4 libkresources4
  libkrosscore4 libkrossui4 libksane-data libksane0 libkscreensaver5 libksgrd4 libksieve4 libksieveui4
  libksignalplotter4 libktexteditor4 libktnef4 libkunitconversion4 libkwineffects1abi4 libkwinglutils1abi1
  libkwinnvidiahack4 libkworkspace4abi2 libkxmlrpcclient4 libmailcommon4 libmailimporter4 libmailtransport4
  libmessagecomposer4 libmessagecore4 libmessagelist4 libmessageviewer4 libmicroblog4 libmuonprivate1
  libnepomuk4 libnepomukcore4abi1 libnepomukquery4a libnepomukutils4 libokteta1core1 libokteta1gui1
  libplasma-geolocation-interface4 libplasma3 libplasmaclock4abi3 libplasmagenericshell4 libprocesscore4abi1
  libprocessui4a libqgpgme1 libsolid4 libsolidcontrol4abi2 libsolidcontrolifaces4abi2 libsoprano4
  libsyndication4 libtaskmanager4abi3 libtemplateparser4 libthreadweaver4 libweather-ion6 marble-data mountall
  muon muon-installer muon-notifier muon-updater nepomuk-core nepomuk-core-data okteta okular
  okular-extra-backends oxygen-icon-theme plasma-dataengines-addons plasma-dataengines-workspace plasma-desktop
  plasma-netbook plasma-scriptengine-javascript plasma-scriptengine-python plasma-widget-folderview
  plasma-widget-kimpanel plasma-widgets-addons plasma-widgets-workspace print-manager qapt-batch
  qapt-deb-installer soprano-daemon systemsettings tasks-icons x11-apps
249 aktualisiert, 18 neu installiert, 9 zu entfernen und 1 nicht aktualisiert.
Es müssen 177 MB an Archiven heruntergeladen werden.
Nach dieser Operation werden 61,4 MB Plattenplatz freigegeben.
Möchten Sie fortfahren [J/n]? n
Abbruch.

Why the hell should Gimp be uninstalled?

This is on my 12.04 installation, luckily I have a 12.10 installation too, but it is in different parts broken, so I use the 12.04 while waiting for the 13.04. I do really believe this is a KDE-Problem and not any other problem. I have all my desktop effects and windows decorations off, I do not need these gadgets.

How can I go as soon as possible back to KDE 4.9.x? This is not really a good working atmosphere now.

[james147]

Sounds like kwin is not running, try switching to a tty (alt+ctrl+f1) then login and execute the following:

sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
sudo apt-get install -f kubuntu-desktop
DISPLAY=:0 kwin --replace

What will check to make sure you are fully upto date and everything is correctly installed, then attempt to launch kwin again. If there are no errors switch back to the gui (alt+ctrl+f6) and see if it worked.

[ScottyK]

Not a KDE issue. You have another problem.

Are other desktop effects working etc? It sort of feels like you aren't using Kwin and window decorations. So check both in your settings. Then report back. Also what activity are you in?

I'll check it out tonight once I get home. Thanks!

[claydoh]

Note some highlighted items:

I had the same more than unpleasant experience today. Far more, the program now does not even accept the keyboard, despite me typing the passwort while starting.

Here is the content of the console for the dist-upgrade:

Die folgenden Pakete werden ENTFERNT:
  gimp gimp-dimage-color gimp-gap gimp-gmic gimp-plugin-registry gimp-texturize gimp-ufraw marble pandora
Die folgenden NEUEN Pakete werden installiert:
  kmahjongg-data [COLOR=#b22222][U][B]libegl1-mesa libegl1-mesa-drivers[/B][/U][/COLOR] libgbm1 libkactivities-models1 libkipi10 libkmahjongglib-data
  libnepomukwidgets4 libokularcore2abi1 [U][B][COLOR=#b22222]libopenvg1-mesa[/COLOR][/B][/U] libpimcommon4 libqaccessibilityclient0 libqapt2
  libqapt2-runtime libqextserialport1 [B][U][COLOR=#b22222]libwayland0[/COLOR][/U][/B] libxcb-damage0 libxcb-xfixes0
[COLOR=#b22222][U][B][SIZE=4]Die folgenden Pakete sind zurückgehalten worden:[/SIZE][/B][/U][/COLOR]
  marble-plugins
Die folgenden Pakete werden aktualisiert (Upgrade):
  akonadi-backend-mysql akonadi-server akregator ark audiocd-kio dolphin dragonplayer firefox firefox-globalmenu
  firefox-locale-de firefox-locale-en freespacenotifier gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad gstreamer0.10-qapt gwenview
  jovie kaccessible kaddressbook kajongg kalarm kamera kate kate-data katepart kcalc kcharselect
  kde-base-artwork kde-baseapps-bin kde-baseapps-data kde-runtime kde-runtime-data kde-style-oxygen
  kde-wallpapers-default kde-window-manager kde-window-manager-common kde-workspace kde-workspace-bin
  kde-workspace-data kde-workspace-kgreet-plugins kde-zeroconf kdegames-card-data kdegames-data
  kdegames-mahjongg-data kdegraphics-strigi-analyzer kdelibs-bin kdelibs5-data kdelibs5-plugins
  kdemultimedia-kio-plugins kdenetwork-filesharing kdepasswd kdepim-kresources kdepim-runtime
  kdepim-strigi-plugins kdepimlibs-kio-plugins kdoctools kfind khelpcenter4 kinfocenter klipper kmag kmahjongg
  kmail kmenuedit kmix kmousetool kmouth knotes kolf kompare konq-plugins konqueror konqueror-nsplugins konsole
  kontact korganizer kpat kppp krdc kruler kshisen ksnapshot ksysguard ksysguardd ksystemlog kttsd
  kwalletmanager libakonadi-calendar4 libakonadi-contact4 libakonadi-kabc4 libakonadi-kcal4 libakonadi-kde4
  libakonadi-kmime4 libakonadi-notes4 libakonadiprotocolinternals1 libaudiocdplugins4 libcalendarsupport4
  libeventviews4 libgimp2.0 libgpgme++2 libgstreamer-plugins-bad0.10-0 libibus-1.0-0 libincidenceeditorsng4
  libkabc4 libkactivities-bin libkactivities6 libkalarmcal2 libkasten2controllers2 libkasten2core2
  libkasten2gui2 libkasten2okteta1controllers1 libkasten2okteta1core1 libkasten2okteta1gui1 libkateinterfaces4
  libkatepartinterfaces4 libkblog4 libkcal4 libkcalcore4 libkcalutils4 libkcddb4 libkcmutils4 libkcompactdisc4
  libkdcraw-data libkde3support4 libkdeclarative5 libkdecorations4abi1 libkdecore5 libkdegames6
  libkdegamesprivate1 libkdepim4 libkdepimdbusinterfaces4 libkdesu5 libkdeui5 libkdewebkit5 libkdgantt2
  libkdnssd4 libkemoticons4 libkephal4abi1 libkexiv2-11 libkexiv2-data libkfile4 libkholidays4 libkhtml5
  libkidletime4 libkimap4 libkio5 libkipi-data libkjsapi4 libkjsembed4 libkldap4 libkleo4 libkmahjongglib4
  libkmanagesieve4 libkmbox4 libkmediaplayer4 libkmime4 libknewstuff2-4 libknewstuff3-4 libknotifyconfig4
  libkntlm4 libkonq-common libkonq5-templates libkonq5abi1 libkonqsidebarplugin4a libkontactinterface4
  libkparts4 libkpgp4 libkpimidentities4 libkpimtextedit4 libkpimutils4 libkprintutils4 libkpty4 libkresources4
  libkrosscore4 libkrossui4 libksane-data libksane0 libkscreensaver5 libksgrd4 libksieve4 libksieveui4
  libksignalplotter4 libktexteditor4 libktnef4 libkunitconversion4 libkwineffects1abi4 libkwinglutils1abi1
  libkwinnvidiahack4 libkworkspace4abi2 libkxmlrpcclient4 libmailcommon4 libmailimporter4 libmailtransport4
  libmessagecomposer4 libmessagecore4 libmessagelist4 libmessageviewer4 libmicroblog4 libmuonprivate1
  libnepomuk4 libnepomukcore4abi1 libnepomukquery4a libnepomukutils4 libokteta1core1 libokteta1gui1
  libplasma-geolocation-interface4 libplasma3 libplasmaclock4abi3 libplasmagenericshell4 libprocesscore4abi1
  libprocessui4a libqgpgme1 libsolid4 libsolidcontrol4abi2 libsolidcontrolifaces4abi2 libsoprano4
  libsyndication4 libtaskmanager4abi3 libtemplateparser4 libthreadweaver4 libweather-ion6 marble-data mountall
  muon muon-installer muon-notifier muon-updater nepomuk-core nepomuk-core-data okteta okular
  okular-extra-backends oxygen-icon-theme plasma-dataengines-addons plasma-dataengines-workspace plasma-desktop
  plasma-netbook plasma-scriptengine-javascript plasma-scriptengine-python plasma-widget-folderview
  plasma-widget-kimpanel plasma-widgets-addons plasma-widgets-workspace print-manager qapt-batch
  qapt-deb-installer soprano-daemon systemsettings tasks-icons x11-apps
249 aktualisiert, 18 neu installiert, 9 zu entfernen [SIZE=4][U][COLOR=#b22222][B]und 1 nicht aktualisiert.[/B][/COLOR][/U][/SIZE]
Es müssen 177 MB an Archiven heruntergeladen werden.
Nach dieser Operation werden 61,4 MB Plattenplatz freigegeben.
Möchten Sie fortfahren [J/n]? n
Abbruch.

Why the hell should Gimp be uninstalled?

This is on my 12.04 installation, luckily I have a 12.10 installation too, but it is in different parts broken, so I use the 12.04 while waiting for the 13.04. I do really believe this is a KDE-Problem and not any other problem. I have all my desktop effects and windows decorations off, I do not need these gadgets.

How can I go as soon as possible back to KDE 4.9.x? This is not really a good working atmosphere now.

It is not a "KDE" problem, but maybe a packaging one, but still unlikely as the KDE packages should not have any dependencies on anything related to the gimp, as they use different toolkits and libraries. The one package not upgraded seems to tell me that something else hasn't fully been uploaded to the repos. It also is causing marble and pandora to be removed. There are a number of non-kde packages in your list related to mesa drivers and this is one place to look at where the problem may be, as well as any PPA's or other external repos you may have added.

I cannot find any reports of the update removing gimp/marble/pandora anywhere, so you might just want to wait a bit, refresh your package list, and try again. if you want to keep the previous KDE (since you did not actually perform the upgrade, you are still using the previous version) simply disable the kubuntu-backports ppa, refresh, and try a dist-upgrade again.

This post probably warrants its own thread as it is wholly unrelated to the specific issue made by the OP

[dmeyer]

There is also the standard

mv ~/.kde ~/.kde_old
mv ~/.kde4 ~/.kde4_old

Fixes 99% of KDE problems. Then later you can move things back slowly. However, at the moment I do not think this is the issue!

[claydoh]

Note some highlighted items:



It is not a "KDE" problem, but maybe a packaging one, but still unlikely as the KDE packages should not have any dependencies on anything related to the gimp, as they use different toolkits and libraries. The one package not upgraded seems to tell me that something else hasn't fully been uploaded to the repos. It also is causing marble and pandora to be removed. There are a number of non-kde packages in your list related to mesa drivers and this is one place to look at where the problem may be, as well as any PPA's or other external repos you may have added.

I cannot find any reports of the update removing gimp/marble/pandora anywhere, so you might just want to wait a bit, refresh your package list, and try again. if you want to keep the previous KDE (since you did not actually perform the upgrade, you are still using the previous version) simply disable the kubuntu-backports ppa, refresh, and try a dist-upgrade again.

This post probably warrants its own thread as it is wholly unrelated to the specific issue made by the OP

Also, from looking at the packages thet were in your list, I am deducing that you are using the highly unstable xorg-edgers ppa, perhps? This one might explain things as it is an xorg repo, in that it involves video as well as input devices, and might well explain the package removal - marble for one I believe requires certin video related packages, and the xorg-edgers versions may be incompatiblewith them.

[ScottyK]

Not a KDE issue. You have another problem.

Are other desktop effects working etc? It sort of feels like you aren't using Kwin and window decorations. So check both in your settings. Then report back. Also what activity are you in?

Well that was a simple fix.

Went to the command line to check for updates. After refreshing I had one unmet dependency. Sudo apt-get -f install took care of that, and then I noticed a lot of setting up of files going on.

After reboot everything now works perfectly!

[GreyGeek]

At first I did not think I had an issue after doing the upgrade. I got no notification that a reboot was necessary. Later, I got to thinking about it and decided to reboot. That's when the * hit the fan.

My system tray icons appeared as what seemed like transparent desktop icons in the upper right corner, but they had no active zones and you couldn't edit or move them.. My WICD and drop box icons appared as very small, about 1/2 of their size when they were in the system tray, in the upper right desktop boarder. They, too, were inactive. Wicd was connected. There were tiny little boxes in what was left of the system tray. When I clicked on them I got the GUI interfaces. When I right clicked and chose to remove them from the system tray my system tray went away. Most of my desktop widgets were transparent and difficult to see. Playing with Workplace appearance settings did not help. I resorted to repeated the apt-get update & upgrade commands, and added -f install kubuntu-desktop for good measure. That helped somewhat. While wicd still gave me a web connection I installed the plasma network manager and then removed all of wicd's files. Knm took over automatically and worked well.

I opened Muon and went to the upgrade tab. I noticed that were were about 50 programs that were still labeled as the 9.x versions. So, it appears that the automatic upgrade didn't automatically install all the upgradable programs! I marked them all for upgrade and applied the upgrade. I did it again and more updates appeared. I applied them and repeated until no more 10.0 upgrades were displayed.

I also noticed that pulseaudio, which I had removed or disabled, as the case may be, was back, and so was that dorky KDE sound gui. I have yet to see if I can restore KMixer to the old "alsa mixer display format".

My YaWP weather plasmoid disappeared, as did my units converter app, and a couple others I used. I search the new widget set and replace them.

All it all, it was a more rocky upgrade than first appeared.

[GreyGeek]

YaWP, Units, the system tray and all of the widgets I put in it are back and looking good. I have one comment about KDE 10.0; IT IS FAST!

[dmeyer]

At first I did not think I had an issue after doing the upgrade. I got no notification that a reboot was necessary. Later, I got to thinking about it and decided to reboot. That's when the * hit the fan.

My system tray icons appeared as what seemed like transparent desktop icons in the upper right corner, but they had no active zones and you couldn't edit or move them.. My WICD and drop box icons appared as very small, about 1/2 of their size when they were in the system tray, in the upper right desktop boarder. They, too, were inactive. Wicd was connected. There were tiny little boxes in what was left of the system tray. When I clicked on them I got the GUI interfaces. When I right clicked and chose to remove them from the system tray my system tray went away. Most of my desktop widgets were transparent and difficult to see. Playing with Workplace appearance settings did not help. I resorted to repeated the apt-get update & upgrade commands, and added -f install kubuntu-desktop for good measure. That helped somewhat. While wicd still gave me a web connection I installed the plasma network manager and then removed all of wicd's files. Knm took over automatically and worked well.

I opened Muon and went to the upgrade tab. I noticed that were were about 50 programs that were still labeled as the 9.x versions. So, it appears that the automatic upgrade didn't automatically install all the upgradable programs! I marked them all for upgrade and applied the upgrade. I did it again and more updates appeared. I applied them and repeated until no more 10.0 upgrades were displayed.

I also noticed that pulseaudio, which I had removed or disabled, as the case may be, was back, and so was that dorky KDE sound gui. I have yet to see if I can restore KMixer to the old "alsa mixer display format".

My YaWP weather plasmoid disappeared, as did my units converter app, and a couple others I used. I search the new widget set and replace them.

All it all, it was a more rocky upgrade than first appeared.

Kmix saw a massive overhaul with 4.10. Try it out!!! Honestly, its excellent now.

[benny_fletch]

I had the same issue as ScottyK when upgrading to 4.10 on my laptop (12.04). The culprit was kmahjongg-data, but after using apt-get -f install command to install it everything ironed itself out. I'm going to hold off upgrading my desktop until I test the new KDE to see if it is worth the trouble.

I quick question regarding 4.10, does this mean that Precise will be getting dot updates as well?

[dmeyer]

I'm going to hold off upgrading my desktop until I test the new KDE to see if it is worth the trouble.

The new Kmix is definitely worth it. So is the new printer managing. Notifications finally work properly. There is a huge speed up and reduced memory consumption. Those are the things that have popped out at me since yesterday.

[Arran]

Hello

Thanks a lot for the good comments. I did a recovery at the start and I was offered automatically a recovery. This went on for hours, downloading over 800 files, but it was well worth it,because everything is OK now.