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Hi there,
am I not mistaken thinking Kubuntu shares dependencies system with Ubuntu?
the only difference is that kubuntu-desktop virtual package has fully been installed and integrated...
and of course all of the work that is needed in those extra packages included in kubuntu
now I found something weird today... I was on a ubuntu-server system with not much of the xorg stuff installed.
this is an amazon box that runs continuous integration testing with selenium. I have a xvfb running for firefox to load
and that's it.
now I needed to troubleshoot something, like firefox is jamming at some point for some reason... and I wonder how I could investigate this.
I don't have much experience with xvfb, so it was not obvious at first, but then I thought about it and hey...
I simply installed x11vnc, ran it from ssh toward my xvfb display and connect using my vnc client.
right on !! I could troubleshoot my selenium/firefox issue.
but seeing firefox with no window decoration. overlapping not entirely a black background was so sad... I thought. lets add kwin and make some joy in this life
so I installed it
dependencies all seemed to make sense and were as follow
right on ! not a problem. and it's working.
but I want more happiness.
so I thought, lets get plasma-desktop running too
well, you would think that most dependencies have already been installed when I installed the window manager right?
I mean, what else can it be required for plasma that was not for kwin ?
well maybe some plasma related lib, sure... but how about .... the following deps
this is simply crazy....
i did not need xorg for kwin, but now I need it for plasma? that is just wrong...
akonadi? well, I guess this is part of kdebase-workspace, but still shouldn't be required, although this is not too far fetch.
fancontrol, kdepim, kdm, klipper, ksysguard, kscreenserver, are all obviously coming from a integrated kdebase-workspace. thats' fine.
all of the xorg deps are the ones I find the most useless and stupid to install
kdm might be the one fetching on xorg deps
and kdm really could be mark as optional here.
thank you
am I not mistaken thinking Kubuntu shares dependencies system with Ubuntu?
the only difference is that kubuntu-desktop virtual package has fully been installed and integrated...
and of course all of the work that is needed in those extra packages included in kubuntu
now I found something weird today... I was on a ubuntu-server system with not much of the xorg stuff installed.
this is an amazon box that runs continuous integration testing with selenium. I have a xvfb running for firefox to load
and that's it.
now I needed to troubleshoot something, like firefox is jamming at some point for some reason... and I wonder how I could investigate this.
I don't have much experience with xvfb, so it was not obvious at first, but then I thought about it and hey...
I simply installed x11vnc, ran it from ssh toward my xvfb display and connect using my vnc client.
right on !! I could troubleshoot my selenium/firefox issue.
but seeing firefox with no window decoration. overlapping not entirely a black background was so sad... I thought. lets add kwin and make some joy in this life
so I installed it
Code:
$ kwin The program 'kwin' is currently not installed. To run 'kwin' please ask your administrator to install the package 'kde-window-manager' $ sudo apt-get install kde-window-manager
Code:
Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done The following extra packages will be installed: app-install-data apt-xapian-index aspell aspell-en dbus-x11 dictionaries-common exiv2 gdebi-core gdebi-kde ghostscript gsfonts hunspell-en-us icoutils install-package kdebase-runtime kdebase-runtime-data kdelibs-bin kdelibs5 kdelibs5-data kdepimlibs-data kdepimlibs5 kdesudo kpackagekit kubuntu-debug-installer libaa1 libakonadiprivate1 libaspell15 libattica0 libaudio2 libboost-program-options1.40.0 libcaca0 libclucene0ldbl libcupsimage2 libdbusmenu-qt2 libenchant1c2a libexiv2-6 libgif4 libglu1-mesa libgpgme11 libgs8 libgudev-1.0-0 libhunspell-1.2-0 libical0 libilmbase6 libiodbc2 libkdecorations4 libkephal4 libkwineffects1 libkworkspace4 liblcms1 libltdl7 libmagickcore2 libmagickwand2 libmng1 libmodplug0c2 libmpcdec3 libnm-glib2 libnm-util1 libopenexr6 libpackagekit-glib2-12 libpackagekit-qt-12 libpaper-utils libpaper1 libphonon4 libplasma3 libpolkit-agent-1-0 libpolkit-backend-1-0 libpolkit-qt-1-0 libpth20 libqca2 libqt4-assistant libqt4-dbus libqt4-designer libqt4-help libqt4-network libqt4-opengl libqt4-qt3support libqt4-script libqt4-scripttools libqt4-sql libqt4-sql-mysql libqt4-svg libqt4-test libqt4-webkit libqt4-xml libqt4-xmlpatterns libqtcore4 libqtgui4 libraptor1 librasqal2 librdf0 libsdl1.2debian libsdl1.2debian-alsa libsmbclient libsoprano4 libspeex1 libssh-4 libstreamanalyzer0 libstreams0 libtalloc2 libtheora0 libwavpack1 libwbclient0 libxcb-shape0 libxcb-shm0 libxcb-xv0 libxine1 libxine1-bin libxine1-console libxine1-misc-plugins libxine1-x libxml2-utils libxss1 libxvmc1 oxygen-icon-theme packagekit packagekit-backend-apt phonon phonon-backend-xine plasma-scriptengine-javascript policykit-1 polkit-kde-1 psfontmgr python-debian python-kde4 python-packagekit python-qt4 python-sip python-xapian shared-desktop-ontologies software-properties-kde soprano-daemon ttf-dejavu ttf-dejavu-extra update-manager-kde virtuoso-nepomuk x11-xserver-utils xdg-utils Suggested packages: aspell-doc spellutils ispell emacsen-common jed-extra ghostscript-cups ghostscript-x hpijs hunspell openoffice.org-hunspell openoffice.org-core libterm-readline-gnu-perl libterm-readline-perl-perl djvulibre-bin hspell akonadi-server nas libenchant-voikko gpgsm liblcms-utils libmagickcore2-extra libqca2-plugin-cyrus-sasl libqca2-plugin-gnupg libqca2-plugin-ossl libqca2-plugin-pkcs11 libqt4-dev qt4-qtconfig raptor-utils redland-utils librdf-storage-postgresql librdf-storage-mysql librdf-storage-sqlite speex gxine xine-ui libxine1-doc libxine-doc libxine1-ffmpeg phonon-backend-gstreamer phonon-backend-vlc phonon-backend-mplayer kcm-phonon-xine python-qt4-dbg xapian-doc nickle cairo-5c xorg-docs-core desktop-file-utils libgnome2-0 exo-utils libgnomevfs2-bin kdelibs4c2a konqueror The following NEW packages will be installed: app-install-data apt-xapian-index aspell aspell-en dbus-x11 dictionaries-common exiv2 gdebi-core gdebi-kde ghostscript gsfonts hunspell-en-us icoutils install-package kde-window-manager kdebase-runtime kdebase-runtime-data kdelibs-bin kdelibs5 kdelibs5-data kdepimlibs-data kdepimlibs5 kdesudo kpackagekit kubuntu-debug-installer libaa1 libakonadiprivate1 libaspell15 libattica0 libaudio2 libboost-program-options1.40.0 libcaca0 libclucene0ldbl libcupsimage2 libdbusmenu-qt2 libenchant1c2a libexiv2-6 libgif4 libglu1-mesa libgpgme11 libgs8 libgudev-1.0-0 libhunspell-1.2-0 libical0 libilmbase6 libiodbc2 libkdecorations4 libkephal4 libkwineffects1 libkworkspace4 liblcms1 libltdl7 libmagickcore2 libmagickwand2 libmng1 libmodplug0c2 libmpcdec3 libnm-glib2 libnm-util1 libopenexr6 libpackagekit-glib2-12 libpackagekit-qt-12 libpaper-utils libpaper1 libphonon4 libplasma3 libpolkit-agent-1-0 libpolkit-backend-1-0 libpolkit-qt-1-0 libpth20 libqca2 libqt4-assistant libqt4-dbus libqt4-designer libqt4-help libqt4-network libqt4-opengl libqt4-qt3support libqt4-script libqt4-scripttools libqt4-sql libqt4-sql-mysql libqt4-svg libqt4-test libqt4-webkit libqt4-xml libqt4-xmlpatterns libqtcore4 libqtgui4 libraptor1 librasqal2 librdf0 libsdl1.2debian libsdl1.2debian-alsa libsmbclient libsoprano4 libspeex1 libssh-4 libstreamanalyzer0 libstreams0 libtalloc2 libtheora0 libwavpack1 libwbclient0 libxcb-shape0 libxcb-shm0 libxcb-xv0 libxine1 libxine1-bin libxine1-console libxine1-misc-plugins libxine1-x libxml2-utils libxss1 libxvmc1 oxygen-icon-theme packagekit packagekit-backend-apt phonon phonon-backend-xine plasma-scriptengine-javascript policykit-1 polkit-kde-1 psfontmgr python-debian python-kde4 python-packagekit python-qt4 python-sip python-xapian shared-desktop-ontologies software-properties-kde soprano-daemon ttf-dejavu ttf-dejavu-extra update-manager-kde virtuoso-nepomuk x11-xserver-utils xdg-utils 0 upgraded, 139 newly installed, 0 to remove and 22 not upgraded. Need to get 106MB of archives. After this operation, 369MB of additional disk space will be used. Do you want to continue [Y/n]?
but I want more happiness.
so I thought, lets get plasma-desktop running too
Code:
$ sudo apt-get install plasma-desktop
I mean, what else can it be required for plasma that was not for kwin ?
well maybe some plasma related lib, sure... but how about .... the following deps
Code:
Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done The following extra packages will be installed: akonadi-server fancontrol intel-gpu-tools kdebase-workspace kdebase-workspace-bin kdebase-workspace-data kdebase-workspace-kgreet-plugins kdepim-runtime kdm klipper ksysguard ksysguardd libkfontinst4 libkscreensaver5 libksgrd4 libksignalplotter4 libplasma-applet-system-monitor4 libplasma-geolocation-interface4 libplasmaclock4 libplasmagenericshell4 libprocesscore4 libprocessui4 libqimageblitz4 libsensors4 libsolidcontrol4 libsolidcontrolifaces4 libtaskmanager4 libweather-ion4 libxklavier16 libxxf86misc1 lm-sensors plasma-dataengines-workspace plasma-widgets-workspace systemsettings xserver-xorg xserver-xorg-core xserver-xorg-input-all xserver-xorg-input-evdev xserver-xorg-input-mouse xserver-xorg-input-synaptics xserver-xorg-input-vmmouse xserver-xorg-input-wacom xserver-xorg-video-all xserver-xorg-video-apm xserver-xorg-video-ark xserver-xorg-video-ati xserver-xorg-video-chips xserver-xorg-video-cirrus xserver-xorg-video-fbdev xserver-xorg-video-i128 xserver-xorg-video-intel xserver-xorg-video-mach64 xserver-xorg-video-mga xserver-xorg-video-neomagic xserver-xorg-video-nouveau xserver-xorg-video-nv xserver-xorg-video-openchrome xserver-xorg-video-r128 xserver-xorg-video-radeon xserver-xorg-video-rendition xserver-xorg-video-s3 xserver-xorg-video-s3virge xserver-xorg-video-savage xserver-xorg-video-siliconmotion xserver-xorg-video-sis xserver-xorg-video-sisusb xserver-xorg-video-tdfx xserver-xorg-video-trident xserver-xorg-video-tseng xserver-xorg-video-v4l xserver-xorg-video-vesa xserver-xorg-video-vmware xserver-xorg-video-voodoo Suggested packages: plasma-scriptengines kdepasswd sensord read-edid i2c-tools xfonts-100dpi xfonts-75dpi xfonts-scalable gpointing-device-settings touchfreeze xinput firmware-linux The following NEW packages will be installed: akonadi-server fancontrol intel-gpu-tools kdebase-workspace kdebase-workspace-bin kdebase-workspace-data kdebase-workspace-kgreet-plugins kdepim-runtime kdm klipper ksysguard ksysguardd libkfontinst4 libkscreensaver5 libksgrd4 libksignalplotter4 libplasma-applet-system-monitor4 libplasma-geolocation-interface4 libplasmaclock4 libplasmagenericshell4 libprocesscore4 libprocessui4 libqimageblitz4 libsensors4 libsolidcontrol4 libsolidcontrolifaces4 libtaskmanager4 libweather-ion4 libxklavier16 libxxf86misc1 lm-sensors plasma-dataengines-workspace plasma-desktop plasma-widgets-workspace systemsettings xserver-xorg xserver-xorg-core xserver-xorg-input-all xserver-xorg-input-evdev xserver-xorg-input-mouse xserver-xorg-input-synaptics xserver-xorg-input-vmmouse xserver-xorg-input-wacom xserver-xorg-video-all xserver-xorg-video-apm xserver-xorg-video-ark xserver-xorg-video-ati xserver-xorg-video-chips xserver-xorg-video-cirrus xserver-xorg-video-fbdev xserver-xorg-video-i128 xserver-xorg-video-intel xserver-xorg-video-mach64 xserver-xorg-video-mga xserver-xorg-video-neomagic xserver-xorg-video-nouveau xserver-xorg-video-nv xserver-xorg-video-openchrome xserver-xorg-video-r128 xserver-xorg-video-radeon xserver-xorg-video-rendition xserver-xorg-video-s3 xserver-xorg-video-s3virge xserver-xorg-video-savage xserver-xorg-video-siliconmotion xserver-xorg-video-sis xserver-xorg-video-sisusb xserver-xorg-video-tdfx xserver-xorg-video-trident xserver-xorg-video-tseng xserver-xorg-video-v4l xserver-xorg-video-vesa xserver-xorg-video-vmware xserver-xorg-video-voodoo 0 upgraded, 74 newly installed, 0 to remove and 22 not upgraded. Need to get 22.8MB of archives. After this operation, 71.5MB of additional disk space will be used. Do you want to continue [Y/n]?
i did not need xorg for kwin, but now I need it for plasma? that is just wrong...
akonadi? well, I guess this is part of kdebase-workspace, but still shouldn't be required, although this is not too far fetch.
fancontrol, kdepim, kdm, klipper, ksysguard, kscreenserver, are all obviously coming from a integrated kdebase-workspace. thats' fine.
all of the xorg deps are the ones I find the most useless and stupid to install
kdm might be the one fetching on xorg deps
and kdm really could be mark as optional here.
thank you
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