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    #16
    Ten more and I'll be totally out!
    "A nation that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood in an open market is a nation that is afraid of its people.”
    – John F. Kennedy, February 26, 1962.

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      #17
      UPDATE AGAIN:
      The signal strength keeps yo-yoing up and down between 20% and 80% +-5 or so.

      In the logs I noticed that the following all happens within a single second (but this scenerio is repeated many times over an hour)

      Code:
      04/05/12 07:49:18 AM	jerry-Aspire-7739	kernel	[ 4416.560389] wlan0: associated
      04/05/12 07:49:18 AM	jerry-Aspire-7739	NetworkManager[1115]	<info> (wlan0): supplicant interface state: authenticating -> associated
      04/05/12 07:49:18 AM	jerry-Aspire-7739	NetworkManager[1115]	<info> (wlan0): supplicant interface state: associated -> 4-way handshake
      04/05/12 07:49:18 AM	jerry-Aspire-7739	wpa_supplicant[1163]	WPA: Key negotiation completed with d8:5d:4c:b9:f4:ba [PTK=CCMP GTK=CCMP]
      04/05/12 07:49:18 AM	jerry-Aspire-7739	wpa_supplicant[1163]	CTRL-EVENT-CONNECTED - Connection to d8:5d:4c:b9:f4:ba completed (reauth) [id=0 id_str=]
      04/05/12 07:49:18 AM	jerry-Aspire-7739	NetworkManager[1115]	<info> (wlan0): supplicant interface state: 4-way handshake -> completed
      04/05/12 07:49:18 AM	jerry-Aspire-7739	NetworkManager[1115]	<info> Activation (wlan0/wireless) Stage 2 of 5 (Device Configure) successful.  Connected to wireless network 'GreyGeek'.
      04/05/12 07:49:18 AM	jerry-Aspire-7739	NetworkManager[1115]	<info> Activation (wlan0) Stage 3 of 5 (IP Configure Start) scheduled.
      04/05/12 07:49:18 AM	jerry-Aspire-7739	NetworkManager[1115]	<info> Activation (wlan0) Stage 3 of 5 (IP Configure Start) started...
      04/05/12 07:49:18 AM	jerry-Aspire-7739	NetworkManager[1115]	<info> (wlan0): device state change: config -> ip-config (reason 'none') [50 70 0]
      04/05/12 07:49:18 AM	jerry-Aspire-7739	NetworkManager[1115]	<info> Activation (wlan0) Beginning DHCPv4 transaction (timeout in 45 seconds)
      04/05/12 07:49:18 AM	jerry-Aspire-7739	NetworkManager[1115]	<info> dhclient started with pid 4938
      04/05/12 07:49:18 AM	jerry-Aspire-7739	avahi-daemon[1031]	Withdrawing address record for fe80::76de:2bff:fe36:e435 on wlan0.
      04/05/12 07:49:18 AM	jerry-Aspire-7739	avahi-daemon[1031]	Leaving mDNS multicast group on interface wlan0.IPv6 with address fe80::76de:2bff:fe36:e435.
      04/05/12 07:49:18 AM	jerry-Aspire-7739	avahi-daemon[1031]	Interface wlan0.IPv6 no longer relevant for mDNS.
      04/05/12 07:49:18 AM	jerry-Aspire-7739	NetworkManager[1115]	<info> Activation (wlan0) Stage 3 of 5 (IP Configure Start) complete.
      04/05/12 07:49:18 AM	jerry-Aspire-7739	dhclient	Internet Systems Consortium DHCP Client 4.1-ESV-R4
      04/05/12 07:49:18 AM	jerry-Aspire-7739	dhclient	Copyright 2004-2011 Internet Systems Consortium.
      04/05/12 07:49:18 AM	jerry-Aspire-7739	dhclient	All rights reserved.
      04/05/12 07:49:18 AM	jerry-Aspire-7739	dhclient	For info, please visit https://www.isc.org/software/dhcp/
      04/05/12 07:49:18 AM	jerry-Aspire-7739	dhclient	
      04/05/12 07:49:18 AM	jerry-Aspire-7739	NetworkManager[1115]	<info> (wlan0): DHCPv4 state changed nbi -> preinit
      04/05/12 07:49:18 AM	jerry-Aspire-7739	wpa_supplicant[1163]	WPA: Group rekeying completed with d8:5d:4c:b9:f4:ba [GTK=CCMP]
      04/05/12 07:49:18 AM	jerry-Aspire-7739	dhclient	Listening on LPF/wlan0/74:de:2b:36:e4:35
      04/05/12 07:49:18 AM	jerry-Aspire-7739	dhclient	Sending on   LPF/wlan0/74:de:2b:36:e4:35
      04/05/12 07:49:18 AM	jerry-Aspire-7739	dhclient	Sending on   Socket/fallback
      04/05/12 07:49:18 AM	jerry-Aspire-7739	dhclient	DHCPREQUEST of 192.168.1.100 on wlan0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67
      04/05/12 07:49:18 AM	jerry-Aspire-7739	dhclient	DHCPACK of 192.168.1.100 from 192.168.1.1
      04/05/12 07:49:18 AM	jerry-Aspire-7739	dhclient	bound to 192.168.1.100 -- renewal in 2147483648 seconds.
      04/05/12 07:49:18 AM	jerry-Aspire-7739	NetworkManager[1115]	<info> (wlan0): DHCPv4 state changed preinit -> reboot
      04/05/12 07:49:18 AM	jerry-Aspire-7739	NetworkManager[1115]	<info>   address 192.168.1.100
      04/05/12 07:49:18 AM	jerry-Aspire-7739	NetworkManager[1115]	<info>   prefix 24 (255.255.255.0)
      04/05/12 07:49:18 AM	jerry-Aspire-7739	NetworkManager[1115]	<info>   gateway 192.168.1.1
      04/05/12 07:49:18 AM	jerry-Aspire-7739	NetworkManager[1115]	<info>   nameserver '207.69.188.186'
      04/05/12 07:49:18 AM	jerry-Aspire-7739	NetworkManager[1115]	<info>   nameserver '207.69.188.187'
      04/05/12 07:49:18 AM	jerry-Aspire-7739	NetworkManager[1115]	<info>   domain name 'earthlink.net'
      04/05/12 07:49:18 AM	jerry-Aspire-7739	NetworkManager[1115]	<info> Activation (wlan0) Stage 5 of 5 (IPv4 Configure Commit) scheduled...
      04/05/12 07:49:18 AM	jerry-Aspire-7739	NetworkManager[1115]	<info> Activation (wlan0) Stage 5 of 5 (IPv4 Commit) started...
      04/05/12 07:49:18 AM	jerry-Aspire-7739	avahi-daemon[1031]	Joining mDNS multicast group on interface wlan0.IPv4 with address 192.168.1.100.
      04/05/12 07:49:18 AM	jerry-Aspire-7739	avahi-daemon[1031]	New relevant interface wlan0.IPv4 for mDNS.
      04/05/12 07:49:18 AM	jerry-Aspire-7739	avahi-daemon[1031]	Registering new address record for 192.168.1.100 on wlan0.IPv4.
      04/05/12 07:49:19 AM	jerry-Aspire-7739	avahi-daemon[1031]	Joining mDNS multicast group on interface wlan0.IPv6 with address fe80::76de:2bff:fe36:e435.
      04/05/12 07:49:19 AM	jerry-Aspire-7739	avahi-daemon[1031]	New relevant interface wlan0.IPv6 for mDNS.
      04/05/12 07:49:19 AM	jerry-Aspire-7739	avahi-daemon[1031]	Registering new address record for fe80::76de:2bff:fe36:e435 on wlan0.*.
      04/05/12 07:49:19 AM	jerry-Aspire-7739	dnsmasq[4882]	exiting on receipt of SIGTERM
      04/05/12 07:49:19 AM	jerry-Aspire-7739	NetworkManager[1115]	<info> DNS: starting dnsmasq...
      04/05/12 07:49:19 AM	jerry-Aspire-7739	NetworkManager[1115]	<info> (wlan0): writing resolv.conf to /sbin/resolvconf
      04/05/12 07:49:19 AM	jerry-Aspire-7739	dnsmasq[4942]	started, version 2.59 cache disabled
      04/05/12 07:49:19 AM	jerry-Aspire-7739	dnsmasq[4942]	compile time options: IPv6 GNU-getopt DBus i18n DHCP TFTP conntrack IDN
      04/05/12 07:49:19 AM	jerry-Aspire-7739	dnsmasq[4942]	using nameserver 207.69.188.187#53
      04/05/12 07:49:19 AM	jerry-Aspire-7739	dnsmasq[4942]	using nameserver 207.69.188.186#53
      04/05/12 07:49:19 AM	jerry-Aspire-7739	NetworkManager[1115]	<info> Clearing nscd hosts cache.
      04/05/12 07:49:19 AM	jerry-Aspire-7739	NetworkManager[1115]	<info> (wlan0): device state change: ip-config -> activated (reason 'none') [70 100 0]
      04/05/12 07:49:19 AM	jerry-Aspire-7739	NetworkManager[1115]	<info> Policy set 'GreyGeek' (wlan0) as default for IPv4 routing and DNS.
      04/05/12 07:49:19 AM	jerry-Aspire-7739	NetworkManager[1115]	<info> Activation (wlan0) successful, device activated.
      04/05/12 07:49:19 AM	jerry-Aspire-7739	dbus[977]	[system] Activating service name='org.freedesktop.nm_dispatcher' (using servicehelper)
      04/05/12 07:49:19 AM	jerry-Aspire-7739	NetworkManager[1115]	<info> Activation (wlan0) Stage 5 of 5 (IPv4 Commit) complete.
      04/05/12 07:49:19 AM	jerry-Aspire-7739	dbus[977]	[system] Successfully activated service 'org.freedesktop.nm_dispatcher'
      And, ten seconds later and disconnects again.
      Code:
      04/05/12 07:49:28 AM	jerry-Aspire-7739	ntpdate[5004]	adjust time server 91.189.94.4 offset 0.002144 sec
      [B]04/05/12 07:49:28 AM	jerry-Aspire-7739	kernel	[ 4426.665482] wlan0: no IPv6 routers present[/B]
      [B]04/05/12 07:49:39 AM	jerry-Aspire-7739	kernel	[ 4438.052646] rtlwifi-0:rtl_watchdog_wq_callback():<0-0> AP off, try to reconnect now[/B]
      04/05/12 07:49:39 AM	jerry-Aspire-7739	kernel	[ 4438.052706] wlan0: Connection to AP d8:5d:4c:b9:f4:ba lost.
      04/05/12 07:49:39 AM	jerry-Aspire-7739	wpa_supplicant[1163]	CTRL-EVENT-DISCONNECTED bssid=d8:5d:4c:b9:f4:ba reason=4
      04/05/12 07:49:39 AM	jerry-Aspire-7739	kernel	[ 4438.196577] cfg80211: All devices are disconnected, going to restore regulatory settings
      04/05/12 07:49:39 AM	jerry-Aspire-7739	kernel	[ 4438.196588] cfg80211: Restoring regulatory settings
      04/05/12 07:49:39 AM	jerry-Aspire-7739	kernel	[ 4438.196597] cfg80211: Calling CRDA to update world regulatory domain
      04/05/12 07:49:39 AM	jerry-Aspire-7739	NetworkManager[1115]	<info> (wlan0): supplicant interface state: completed -> disconnected
      During that 10 seconds the field strengh indicator on network-manager is sliding up and down. It's only when it hits about 20% that the break occurs. I noticed that the it is following the "no IPv6" msg that the watchdog reports that the AP (my wireless!) is off!!!! I enabled the IPv6 in network-manager but that didn't help.

      I went searching for solutions again and found this, posted on MARCH 30, 2012:

      https://lkml.org/lkml/2012/3/30/1004
      Date Fri, 30 Mar 2012 12:57:54 -0700
      From Greg KH <>
      Subject [ 032/108] rtlwifi: rtl8192ce: Fix loss of receive performance
      3.0-stable review patch. If anyone has any objections, please let me know.

      ------------------
      From: Jingjun Wu <jingjun_wu@realsil.com.cn>

      commit a9b89e2567c743483e6354f64d7a7e3a8c101e9e upstream.

      Driver rtl8192ce when used with the RTL8188CE device would start at about
      20 Mbps on a 54 Mbps connection, but quickly drop to 1 Mbps. One of the
      symptoms is that the AP would need to retransmit each packet 4 of 5 times
      before the driver would acknowledge it. Recovery is possible only by
      unloading and reloading the driver. This problem was reported at
      https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=770207.

      The problem is due to a missing update of the gain setting.

      Signed-off-by: Jingjun Wu <jingjun_wu@realsil.com.cn>
      Signed-off-by: Larry Finger <Larry.Finger@lwfinger.net>
      Signed-off-by: John W. Linville <linville@tuxdriver.com>
      Signed-off-by: Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>

      ---
      drivers/net/wireless/rtlwifi/rtl8192c/dm_common.c | 4 ++++
      1 file changed, 4 insertions(+)
      --- a/drivers/net/wireless/rtlwifi/rtl8192c/dm_common.c
      +++ b/drivers/net/wireless/rtlwifi/rtl8192c/dm_common.c
      @@ -523,6 +523,10 @@ void rtl92c_dm_write_dig(struct ieee8021
      dm_digtable.cur_igvalue, dm_digtable.pre_igvalue,
      dm_digtable.backoff_val));

      + dm_digtable.cur_igvalue += 2;
      + if (dm_digtable.cur_igvalue > 0x3f)
      + dm_digtable.cur_igvalue = 0x3f;
      +
      if (dm_digtable.pre_igvalue != dm_digtable.cur_igvalue) {
      rtl_set_bbreg(hw, ROFDM0_XAAGCCORE1, 0x7f,
      dm_digtable.cur_igvalue);
      I found a similar posting that said the "receive performance" in rtl8192ce was fixed in the 3.2.0-14 kernel.
      http://optimus-linux.blogspot.com/20...-released.html

      I never had any problems with my RealTek wireless chip running -14 through -17, but the problems appeared in -18 and all since then, so a regression has been introduced.

      This patch in this annnoucement is for the 3.0-stable kernel.
      "A nation that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood in an open market is a nation that is afraid of its people.”
      – John F. Kennedy, February 26, 1962.

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        #18
        UPDATE about Chromium...

        I had been lucky with Chromium starting up every time I clicked its icon in the application-launcher. I usually open it up and leave it open, since I spend most of my time using the browser.

        Well. I closed it this morning and then opened it up. It wouldn't open.

        It turns out that when Chromium closes it does NOT remove all of its threads from the system processes. Restarting Chromium fails if there are still Chromium threads in the processes.

        If I kill them then Chromium starts like it is supposed to.
        "A nation that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood in an open market is a nation that is afraid of its people.”
        – John F. Kennedy, February 26, 1962.

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          #19
          ANOTHER UPDATE:

          April 6th, 7th and 8th were the worse days yet for Precise on this Acer 7739.

          I had upgraded to the "-21" kernel but that didn't help. I didn't want to downgrade to the "-18" or earlier kernel. No params settings would make the rtl8192ce driver work reliably on this laptop. My wireless was down so often that I had to resort to my ethernet cable to establish a reliable connection. I couldn't trust the wireless connection for updates or other downloads that might fix the problems.

          After updates on Saturday things got worse. On two occasions my display blacked out. On one occasion the laptop powered off in a snap and without warning. Checking the system logs revealed thousands of msgs about "Intel ips", and "MCP" and other stuff I reported on March 26th. Some suggested that "intel_ips" be blacklisted. I did that and my avg running temperature rose 10F and the wireless was unusable, so I removed it. But, this laptop was running significantly hotter than it had been in the past, and it seemed to become unstable at 140F, even though the CPU is rated to 190F. Yesterday I seriously considered buying a fan for it.

          I spent most of Sunday afternoon and evening researching the problems. It seems that the "Intel ips" power problems first appeared in 2007 and were fixed, but a regression has snuck back in. All in all, my problems had the appearance of being caused by the kernel. Despairing, I went to the repository in the hope that the "-22" kernel would be there and that it would solve my problems. Last night, about 12:30AM, I discovered that it was there. I installed it and rebooted. I played minecraft for an hour to test it out and then went to bed.

          This morning at 9AM I fired up this Acer to give the new 3.2.0-22 kernel a shakedown. My rtl8192ce connected using 11n at 150Mb/s and has remained connected every since. The MCP and " intel ips 0000:00:1f.6: MCP power or thermal limit exceeded" messages have ceased. The rtl8102ce power off settings are stable and it doesn't jump back and forth between 12Mb/s, 15Mb/s and 150Mb/s randomly or under load. More important, it doesn't show a 15Mb/s connection speed but time out on any webpage. My average unadjusted temp setting while using Chromium has been 100-102F, which is what it averaged before the troubles began.

          Now I am going to run the graphic intensive apps and see how they play.


          "A nation that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood in an open market is a nation that is afraid of its people.”
          – John F. Kennedy, February 26, 1962.

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            #20
            UPDATE AGAIN:

            I have been using this Acer 7739 with the 3.2.0-22 kernel and the latest updates for over 12 hours.

            The rtl8192ce wifi driver stayed up at 150Mb/s for those 12 hours and the system log shows only three drop outs. The first was 1/2 hour after I started, the second was an hour afterwards, and the third was at 5:45pm.. Chromium has been up the entire 12 hours and I never noticed a single time out or page hang, so the dropouts were quickly restored. Chromium started immediately upon its first summons, and I closed and restarted it several times but it never failed to quickly start.

            There are hundreds of the following message:
            04/09/12 09:36:27 PM jerry-Aspire-7739 kernel [43238.402943] intel ips 0000:00:1f.6: MCP limit exceeded: Avg power 39946, limit 3500004/09/12 09:37:07 PM jerry-Aspire-7739 kernel [43278.340382] intel ips 0000:00:1f.6: MCP limit exceeded: Avg power 35807, limit 35000
            04/09/12 09:38:02 PM jerry-Aspire-7739 kernel [43333.254454] intel ips 0000:00:1f.6: MCP limit exceeded: Avg power 36213, limit 35000
            but they didn't appear to affect performance. The temperature never went of 150F (That I noticed), and when Minecraft is closed it drops to the average temp of 107 F, when Chromium is open.

            All in all, if these 12 hours are any indication, Precise is back to the stable platform it has been for me from Jan 3rd to about three weeks ago.
            "A nation that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood in an open market is a nation that is afraid of its people.”
            – John F. Kennedy, February 26, 1962.

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              #21
              Well, I've been running three hours today without a single bump. It looks like the bad times are past.
              I'm marking this one solved.
              "A nation that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood in an open market is a nation that is afraid of its people.”
              – John F. Kennedy, February 26, 1962.

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                #22
                UPDATE: Yesterday marked the second 12 hour day without any of the previous problems.

                The rtl8192ce problem is much improved but there is still one nagging issue, occasionally SLOOOW internet speed. My connection speed remains firm at 150Mb/s (no yo-yo-ng) but it becomes laggy.
                When this happens I run
                ping goggle.com
                to see if my connection is still up because the network-manager is notorious for not having a connection yet showing a connection.

                jerry@jerry-Aspire-7739:~$ ping google.com
                PING google.com (72.14.204.102) 56(84) bytes of data.
                64 bytes from iad04s01-in-f102.1e100.net (72.14.204.102): icmp_req=1 ttl=47 time=51.1 ms
                64 bytes from iad04s01-in-f102.1e100.net (72.14.204.102): icmp_req=2 ttl=47 time=53.3 ms
                64 bytes from iad04s01-in-f102.1e100.net (72.14.204.102): icmp_req=3 ttl=47 time=52.5 ms
                64 bytes from iad04s01-in-f102.1e100.net (72.14.204.102): icmp_req=4 ttl=47 time=52.6 ms
                64 bytes from iad04s01-in-f102.1e100.net (72.14.204.102): icmp_req=5 ttl=47 time=52.3 ms
                64 bytes from iad04s01-in-f102.1e100.net (72.14.204.102): icmp_req=6 ttl=47 time=53.2 ms
                64 bytes from iad04s01-in-f102.1e100.net (72.14.204.102): icmp_req=7 ttl=47 time=55.7 ms
                ^C
                --- google.com ping statistics ---
                7 packets transmitted, 7 received, 0% packet loss, time 6008ms
                rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 51.117/53.018/55.767/1.349 ms
                jerry@jerry-Aspire-7739:~$
                Looks normal, right? That's part of the problem. In this run the time between lines was less than a second. When the connection slows down, the google ping shows exactly the same output,, except for an occasional time=127ms, but more importantly, the actual time between pings is five seconds, not a fraction of a second! The icmp_req is sequential and without missing packets, and the times are still in the 55 ms time range, give or take a couple ms, but other than that you'd thing I had a normal connection. It really gets aggravating when watching videos because the 5 second pauses seem to pile up .... there would be a brief 5 seconds of play followed by a minute or more of spinning wheels ... rinse and repeat. Once the local cache is filled the video plays all the way through at normal speed.

                So, there is still some kind of problem with the rtl8192ce wireless driver, but it is much better than it was previous to moving to the -22 kernel.
                "A nation that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood in an open market is a nation that is afraid of its people.”
                – John F. Kennedy, February 26, 1962.

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                  #23
                  Originally posted by GreyGeek View Post
                  So, there is still some kind of problem with the rtl8192ce wireless driver, but it is much better than it was previous to moving to the -22 kernel.
                  Not necessarily so. Try switching to a different server (Download from: in Software Sources). I was having such issues, even on my wired connection at the house. I called several times to my ISP Internet Help Desk to complain, asking if they 'throttled' throughput at times (other, much larger, less honest ISPs do this). They said 'no', and I do believe them. They monitored my connection and ran a few tests and noticed there were large latency delays at certain legs of the source to destination (my PC) route. They noted that the 'source location' was in Europe (Canonical) -- I was doing routine, normal daily updates. They suggested trying a different server, so i did. Made a huge difference. So now, when I don't get the throughput that I expect, and that I am paying for, I try a different server, and that usually resolves it.
                  Windows no longer obstructs my view.
                  Using Kubuntu Linux since March 23, 2007.
                  "It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data." - Sherlock Holmes

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                    #24
                    Launchpad publishes a list of Ubuntu mirrors. I have stopped using Canonical's servers for downloads and instead use Argonne National Lab. They have a 10gbps Internet connection and are always up-to-date.

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                      #25
                      Cool. Thanks for the info. Changed my server to it.
                      Windows no longer obstructs my view.
                      Using Kubuntu Linux since March 23, 2007.
                      "It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data." - Sherlock Holmes

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                        #26
                        Originally posted by Snowhog View Post
                        Not necessarily so. Try switching to a different server (Download from: in Software Sources). I was having such issues, even on my wired connection at the house. I called several times to my ISP Internet Help Desk to complain, asking if they 'throttled' throughput at times (other, much larger, less honest ISPs do this). They said 'no', and I do believe them. They monitored my connection and ran a few tests and noticed there were large latency delays at certain legs of the source to destination (my PC) route. They noted that the 'source location' was in Europe (Canonical) -- I was doing routine, normal daily updates. They suggested trying a different server, so i did. Made a huge difference. So now, when I don't get the throughput that I expect, and that I am paying for, I try a different server, and that usually resolves it.
                        Different server?

                        I don't know of another way to get to google.com unless I use an onion router, and that certainly isn't going to boost my speed.
                        YouTube videos lag, as I indicated, using wireless, but are as fast as my connection allows using a cable.

                        When I switch to cable there is no delay on any site I visit. With my wireless connection it doesn't matter what site I visit, the slow periods come and go, intermittently.
                        My ISP is Earthlink.net, which rides on RoadRunner's cable. Every connection I make has to go through one of their servers.
                        "A nation that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood in an open market is a nation that is afraid of its people.”
                        – John F. Kennedy, February 26, 1962.

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                          #27
                          Originally posted by SteveRiley View Post
                          Launchpad publishes a list of Ubuntu mirrors. I have stopped using Canonical's servers for downloads and instead use Argonne National Lab. They have a 10gbps Internet connection and are always up-to-date.
                          Indeed! anl has always been one of my go to sites:


                          deb http://mirror.anl.gov/pub/ubuntu/ precise main
                          deb-src http://mirror.anl.gov/pub/ubuntu/ precise main
                          "A nation that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood in an open market is a nation that is afraid of its people.”
                          – John F. Kennedy, February 26, 1962.

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                            #28
                            Originally posted by GreyGeek View Post
                            Different server?

                            I don't know of another way to get to google.com unless I use an onion router... YouTube videos lag, as I indicated..., using wireless...

                            When I switch to cable there is no delay on any site I visit. With my wireless connection it doesn't matter what site I visit, the slow periods come and go, intermittently.
                            Ah! I guess I immediately leaped to a conclusion that your issue was downloading updates, based on Paul's suggestion to switch mirrors. Once again, I'm answering without reading all the details, grr...

                            /me slaps self

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