/etc/apt/apt.conf - Where is it?

[Snowhog]

Re: /etc/apt/apt.conf - Where is it?

I do remember the issue with Muon, and iirc, it was a dependent application that was either removed from the repositories, or as you said, not backported, and it did cause a problem, was reported/complained about, and for which Jonathon quickly fixed. IIRC, it was a dependent package (not one Jon maintained) that was renamed/renumbered, and that it's maintainer had not so informed the community about. Regardless, the issue it caused Muon was quickly remedied.

As DrDru stated, no matter what package manager one uses, it is the responsibility of the end user to be aware of what is going to happen with any package change (install/removal/upgrade). For that single reason, I use the CLI, and use the --simulate option before 'doing the deed'. In my four years of using Kubuntu, I have never ended up with a borked system.

[rec9140]

Re: /etc/apt/apt.conf - Where is it?

This is going way OT, but...

ANY package manager is "dangerous" if you don't pay attention to what it tells you it is going to do.
That is especially true for system version upgrades and system development versions.
$.02

No, muon is much more dangerous than that... its being presented to users as a menas to click click click done. Doing that would have totally screwed the development system by removing stuff... the user muon is aimed at, will not understand that, thus they will have a non working system.

I am not touching muon with a billion mile pole.

[wizard10000]

Re: /etc/apt/apt.conf - Where is it?

ANY package manager is "dangerous" if you don't pay attention to what it tells you it is going to do.
That is especially true for system version upgrades and system development versions.
$.02

This.

I've had both apt and synaptic offer to do the same thing more than once - since I maintain a package list as long as my NIC works I can put things back the way they were so I just let apt do it's thing once and it did indeed trash the system. Took me ten minutes to repair

If rec9140 wants to blame muon for a problem that isn't muon's I guess he can. But - three or four times in the past few years I've had the stars line up in exactly the wrong way and if you're not paying attention apt (not muon) will remove a buncha packages it shouldn't. Any package manager will do it if the timing's wrong.

[Snowhog]

Re: /etc/apt/apt.conf - Where is it?

Any package manager will do it if the timing's wrong.

Correct. No package manager, no matter how well written can anticipate a badly packaged application, or have 'built in' logic that can anticipate all and every possible situation. Buyer beware is still the mantra all should live by.

[sixthwheel]

Re: /etc/apt/apt.conf - Where is it?

Just installed Kubuntu 11.10 this afternoon, and have been updating,upgrading,installing,removing stuff with Muon package manager all day.
It's a bit quirky, but once I got used to it's feel, it's really a fine piece of program.

There were a few times when something wouldn't install, and I had to CLI it, but over all I like it.
Good job to the devs.

[SteveRiley]

Re: /etc/apt/apt.conf - Where is it?

I am not touching muon with a billion mile pole.

I allowed Muon to burn me a couple times until I found out from de_koraco in this Muon thread about the Preview Changes button, which I totally missed. Coming from Synaptic, where it always told me ahead of time what it was going to do, I never thought that I should have to click a button first. So while I agree that Muon is getting better, claydoh put it best in that other thread:

but this is one area where perhaps the extra hand holding is actually appropriate