Leaving Firefox??

[spottedhog]

Re: Leaving Firefox??

I guess that is a "2 dewclaws up" for we 'Hogs!

[geezer]

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I guess that is a "2 dewclaws up" for we 'Hogs!

- is that supposed to mean something

[jeremy1701]

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I have been a long time user and supporter of Firefox, but I've got to say that ReKonq is quite nice.

[Jonas]

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Well, the reality is that sometimes one Linux solution just doesn't work for someone.

The good news for that reality is that Linux affords the opportunity to exercise choice. Sounds like it's just time to move on to something else and if Chrome works for what you need to do, go for it. You can always try something else, including Firefox, at some later date. No sense being frustrated, it just wastes time

+1... and the fact that it's FOSS make it easy for devs (or anyone) to take advantage of those bits that the users like and drop the not so liked features

This is kind of a sidetrack but here are my views on the browsers.
I have just recently started to use (and get used) to chromium browser, before on 10.04 and prereleases I had so much trouble with it crashing but seem to be stable for me now. I like some features about it but some things on FF i do miss (or haven't got used to) in chrome, Konqueror and Rekonq. I never really got used to Konqueror and haven't really got used to Rekonq yet tho I can see it's potential.

Firefox (3.5 & 4.0beta) -
pros;
Works on all sites (banks, flashsites),
Habit - I'm used to it
All plugins/addons espec. adblock
Searchbar(by default) - easy to search and manage where I want to search(wiki, imdb etc.)
Easy to customize
(4.0beta - the tabcandy is a really nice feature)
cons;
with many tabs I feel it's slower then the others with many tabs open,
flashsites/youtube/svtplay lag more then in Chromium
(4.0 beta - It crash a lot for me, can't say I did expect anything else though)
Chromium -
pros;
Works in most cases
flash work better then in FF (due to parallel processes?)
cons;
not as easy to customize,
lack some good plugins/addons - like adblock(there is but I don't like the features as much as in FF)
Searchbar - (there is a plugin but seem several clicks away compared to firefox -is it because google want you use their engine? ..or is it just me being a paranoid cynic? )
How it handles pdf files (and other temp files) I don't want to download but just quickly read.

Konqueror -
pros;
Very customizable (almost to a degree where I had trouble to get used to it)
A very versatile tool
cons;
don't work on any site
I never got flash to work properly - or when I did a update somehow broke it

Rekonq -
pros;
Customizable
A versatile tool
cons;
don't work on any site and I haven't found where to change it like in Konqueror
Where's the address/url field??
It don't seem to change the option in the searchbar - always search in google.com

iE - (i use it at work)
pros; lol
cons Many - but apart from code, the apostle #1 of savage capitalism explains it here ..

[oblivion]

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iE - (i use it at work)
pros; lol
cons Many - but apart from code, the apostle #1 of savage capitalism explains it here ..

iE
pros: A versatile download tool for downloadind other browsers.
cons: A versatile download tool for downloading other malicious software.




There is also Opera, which is, imo, wonderful.

Pros (of 10.6 & 11 beta ):

Works almost on all sites.
Tab grouping, extension support (introduced with 11 beta);
Mouse gestures;
Configurable speed dial;
Syncronization (bookmarks, tabs, passwords, etc)
Opera Turbo (makes surfing faster on slow connections)
Relatively better KDE integration (KDE file browsers, file associations work);
Easily configurable.
Complete built-in E-Mail, IRC client and RSS reader

Cons (of 10.6 & 11 beta):
Gnome (??) dependencies (gconf, gstreamer, etc).
Page scrolling is fast but not very smooth.
There aren't many extensions yet (introduced newly in 11 beta).

http://www.opera.com/browser/


IMO, Konqueror and Rekonq are (featurewise) very good but, since KDE 4.0, All the KDE based browsers I use have very poor page rendering times. Total page loading times (fetching+ rendering + displaying) are around 8-10 seconds where non KDE browser (such as Firefox, Chromium and Opera) render the same page around 1 second. QTWebkit seems to have some problems, since it sometimes just hung while trying to load pages.

Regards.

[verndog]

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...
I have found that using Chrome on the same sites that Firefox never stops processing and hence never displays, Chrome displays the site in seconds. I had started thinking that either my DSL line was at fault or the sites web server was over whelmed. Then I thought of trying Chrome and learned otherwise.
... I'm finding more and more web sites for which both problems exist under FireFox, but not Chrome.

My conclusion also. After finding Chrome I never looked back at FF. Although, on each new distro I try the latest FF to see if any improvements. Chrome has never caused me any problems. I do like Opera, but not as much as Chrome.

[Ole Juul]

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It is striking how we all have different experiences with what is assumed to be the same thing. That said; I have them all open at all times and don't reboot or shut down, so my perspective is perhaps unique.

- I was having trouble with Firefox a while back but it works well now.

- Chromium is OK, but takes up a startling amount of memory. I have to kill it regularly to keep it working because it's memory usage grows daily. Otherwise I like it.

- Opera used to be OK, but no longer works well. It is extremely slow (at least 10 times slower than FF) and the little cursor lump is always blinking while waiting for something. This change has occurred without me doing any upgrades or installations in my Kubuntu, although there was one reboot.

So, it puzzles me when some say Opera is fast, and people who say Chromium works well probably close it down sometimes, or have one of (seemingly hundreds) different versions. I don't know. What I have learnt from this is that browsers cannot be compared because people use them differently and on different systems.

[Guest]

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I'm a big fan of Opera... Runs beautifully for me... Quick and flawless.

iE
pros: A versatile download tool for downloadind other browsers.
cons: A versatile download tool for downloading other malicious software.


There is also Opera, which is, imo, wonderful.

Pros (of 10.6 & 11 beta ):

Works almost on all sites.
Tab grouping, extension support (introduced with 11 beta);
Mouse gestures;
Configurable speed dial;
Syncronization (bookmarks, tabs, passwords, etc)
Opera Turbo (makes surfing faster on slow connections)
Relatively better KDE integration (KDE file browsers, file associations work);
Easily configurable.
Complete built-in E-Mail, IRC client and RSS reader

Cons (of 10.6 & 11 beta):
Gnome (??) dependencies (gconf, gstreamer, etc).
Page scrolling is fast but not very smooth.
There aren't many extensions yet (introduced newly in 11 beta).

http://www.opera.com/browser/

[vinnywright]

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Ubuntu Firefox release has been known to have a bottleneck.

This will help..
To speed it up.....

Open your Firefox and type about:config in URL address bar
and hit enter.
Then make the changes 1 thru 4 below by using the Filter Field to find Each..
To make a False into True, select the line to change, and double click or Right click and choose Toogle.
On the 2nd option change below maxrequests, right click and select Modify

1..- network.http.pipelining > Make it True

2..- network.http.pipelining.maxrequests > Change to 8 or 10

3..- network.http.proxy.pipelining > Make it True

4..- network.dns.disableIPv6 > Make it True

Restart Firefox and check out the New Faster Speed..
Enjoy..

Just made the changes and restarted Firefox. Wow. Noticably faster. Cool. 8)

yes faster .......did just the network.dns.disableIPv6 first and saw a difference with just that ...and a little more with the rest 1-3

and I don't have any probs with firefox either :P

VINNY

[kyonides]

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I must admit that FF version 3.6.13 crashes quite often, not even version 3.6.12 crashed that many times... >

[GreyGeek]

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.....
iE
pros: A versatile download tool for downloadind other browsers.
cons: A versatile download tool for downloading other malicious software.
....

I rarely use Windows any more, except to let my guest XP os do a monthly (or so) update of MS security stuff. But, an old friend dropped by a few days ago with his desktop and asked if I could clean it up and get its speed back.

I did that. One of the first things I did was to take the IE icon off the panel and desktop and make FF the default browser. He was using expired McAfee security and loads of AOL and Yahoo junkware installed. I removed that and all the junk and games his grandkids installed and installed Microsoft's Security Essentials. I also installed CCleaner and showed him how to use it to remove cookies of any type.

While browsing from his machine using FF I expected to see some cookies from the sites I visited, but was suprised when CCleaner showed cookies install by IE, even though I didn't run it. There were no notices of any updates waiting during that period, so I am assuming that IE is called by Windows for what ever purposes, which makes it pretty hard to secure Windows by restricting the use of IE.

Anyway, he got his speed back and MSSE scanned and cleaned all the files. I told him to run CCleaner EVERY TIME he used the computer, just before he shut it down.

[Detonate]

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I'm a big Ccleaner fan. I use it on every windows computer I work on. I too, make FF the default browser. As far as people complaining about slow running windows computers, I have found recently, that the biggest problem is "Windows Live". Windows users get tricked into installing this crap and most of them have no need for it. It will bring older, underpowered machines to their knees. And yes, get rid of Norton, McAfee, et all and install AVG free or Microsoft Security Essentials.

[woodsmoke]

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Hi
I actually experienced, a week or so ago, Geezer's situation about FF just sitting and spinning at a site.

It was a news site and FF had asked what I wanted to do with the site, and I just clicked close on the requestor without thinking.

When I finally had to hard shut down I went back to the site and clicked the option to accept popups and WOAH!!! I have never seen the number of animated things yammering for attention, the whole right side was a column of boxes of animations, there was an animation that covered the whole screen(the black see through) that had an animation, there were animations at the top, the story must have had ten or more hover links with the blue words.

To say the least I didn't finish the reading the story and they didn't get any click throughs from me.

I have often wondered just what kind of person would click any of that stuff, but, apparently, there are more than enough people that do to justify making them.

woodsmoke

[Detonate]

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What kind of web designer would build a site that has all that crap that makes it take so long to load it times out?

[GreyGeek]

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Loading lots of bells and whistles into a program or a web site is a classic sign of a rookie in action.