Leaving Firefox??

[geezer]

The Firefox release in 10.10 is really frustrating.

Some web sites never seem to finish processing and display - the only thing Firefox displays is the little icon that it is processing and processing and processing and processing and ..............

Also, when I try to print some sites as *.ps or *.pdf documents, the formatting is totally mangled and most of the time only the first, mangled page is output. This makes printing web sites from Firefox extremely unreliable.

I have found that using Chrome on the same sites that Firefox never stops processing and hence never displays, Chrome displays the site in seconds. I had started thinking that either my DSL line was at fault or the sites web server was over whelmed. Then I thought of trying Chrome and learned otherwise.

Similarly, when Firefox is totally unable to print a usable *.ps or *.pdf document of a web site, Chrome does so quickly and with no mangling or distortion of the contents.

I am now about 50% convinced in making Chrome my default browser and abandoning Firefox totally.

Firefox was good in the past, but I think the developers may be overwhelmed now with trying to maintain it and still advance it's feature set. Maybe in trying to add more features, they are ignoring the act of maintaining it's capabilities and letting them degrade to the point that they are no longer useful or even working.

Any other good browsers out there that are challenging FireFox and Chrome and are as good as or better than Chrome??

Right now, I'm finding it difficult to totally abandon FireFox - it is still my default browser, but the frustration level with it rises every day that a web site doesn't display, but does so under Chrome in seconds and it cannot print a web site and Chrome does so quickly and accurately.

Unfortunately, I'm finding more and more web sites for which both problems exist under FireFox, but not Chrome.

[jglen490]

Re: Leaving Firefox??

Have you tried getting Firefox directly from Mozilla and using it?

It is possible that FF has gone downhill, but your experience would seem to indicate a pretty sharp drop-off. Perhaps there is something hosed in the Kubuntu Maverick package.

[sqlpython]

Re: Leaving Firefox??

Ubuntu Firefox release has been known to have a bottleneck.

This will help..
To speed it up.....

Open your Firefox and type about:config in URL address bar
and hit enter.
Then make the changes 1 thru 4 below by using the Filter Field to find Each..
To make a False into True, select the line to change, and double click or Right click and choose Toogle.
On the 2nd option change below maxrequests, right click and select Modify

1..- network.http.pipelining > Make it True

2..- network.http.pipelining.maxrequests > Change to 8 or 10

3..- network.http.proxy.pipelining > Make it True

4..- network.dns.disableIPv6 > Make it True

Restart Firefox and check out the New Faster Speed..
Enjoy..

[Ole Juul]

Re: Leaving Firefox??

. . . I am now about 50% convinced in making Chrome my default browser and abandoning Firefox totally. . . .

Any other good browsers out there that are challenging FireFox and Chrome and are as good as or better than Chrome?? . . .

I always keep a number of browsers open. Part of the reason is that I don't want to get completely used to any one, and partly because they have different functionality - and that changes.

Right now Firefox (not on MM) is working well for me. Opera is aggravating. Epiphany is buggy with flash. Chromium eats ALL my memory if not restarted every couple of days. The only one that always does what it says on the box is Dillo. lol You just can't win. Perhaps install some different versions of FF and see which one works best for you.

[Detonate]

Re: Leaving Firefox??

One thing you can do to help alleviate the "forever loading" problem is install two extensions. Adblock and FlashBlock. Both are avaliable for FF and Chrome/chromium.

[Vistaus]

Re: Leaving Firefox??

One thing you can do to help alleviate the "forever loading" problem is install two extensions. Adblock and FlashBlock. Both are avaliable for FF and Chrome/chromium.

And Konqueror has AdBlock build-in; for both flash and non-flash ads.

I'm using Konqueror and I'm extremely happy with it I use Konqueror with WebKit btw.

[geezer]

Re: Leaving Firefox??

Ubuntu Firefox release has been known to have a bottleneck.

This will help..
To speed it up.....

Open your Firefox and type about:config in URL address bar
and hit enter.
Then make the changes 1 thru 4 below by using the Filter Field to find Each..
To make a False into True, select the line to change, and double click or Right click and choose Toogle.
On the 2nd option change below maxrequests, right click and select Modify

1..- network.http.pipelining > Make it True

2..- network.http.pipelining.maxrequests > Change to 8 or 10

3..- network.http.proxy.pipelining > Make it True

4..- network.dns.disableIPv6 > Make it True

Restart Firefox and check out the New Faster Speed..
Enjoy..

On a short term basis - the above changes seem to help. Will have to evaluate for a couple of weeks to really tell though.

Now - do you have any methods to get FireFox to output *.ps and/or *.pdf correctly and intelligibly??

[kyonides]

Re: Leaving Firefox??

Have you tried running Iceweasel (FF w/o official logo) and checked out if it works better than FF in *buntu?

[geezer]

Re: Leaving Firefox??

I made a pdf of this very page:
http://imgur.com/MLHQb.jpg
This is using FF4.0b8pre and for me this looks very acceptable.

I just tried this page also and got accurate results.

OK - now would you please go and try to do the same with maybe another 20 or 30 other sites, some with complicated formating and report back the results? Try some news sites that use complicated layouts. Not trying to be insulting or anything, but one site doesn't really prove anything. I have had FirFox do ok on some sites and do really horrible things on a lot of other sites. All of the sites in which FireFox does horrible things, Chrome outputs very accurate renditions.

Not too sure, but I "THINK" that the web sites that FireFox has the most trouble with are those that use frames - now don't ask what that means because I haven't the foggiest idea, just that I keep seeing the notion of "frames" popping up in some ( a lot??) of the sites I visit and that the ones I try to print to *.ps and/or *.pdf files get horribly mangled by FireFox.

[jglen490]

Re: Leaving Firefox??

Well, the reality is that sometimes one Linux solution just doesn't work for someone.

The good news for that reality is that Linux affords the opportunity to exercise choice. Sounds like it's just time to move on to something else and if Chrome works for what you need to do, go for it. You can always try something else, including Firefox, at some later date. No sense being frustrated, it just wastes time

[Ole Juul]

Re: Leaving Firefox??

. . .
Not too sure, but I "THINK" that the web sites that FireFox has the most trouble with are those that use frames - now don't ask what that means because I haven't the foggiest idea, just that I keep seeing the notion of "frames" popping up in some ( a lot??) of the sites I visit and that the ones I try to print to *.ps and/or *.pdf files get horribly mangled by FireFox.

So is your FireFox set up to deal with frames? I think it is something like browser.frames.enabled set to true in about:config. Also, frames are somewhat contentious and considered bad form by many. I don't think you can expect standard behaviour in that regard. It's generally a web site problem and not the browsers fault, although different browsers will render a faulty site differently.

[geezer]

Re: Leaving Firefox??

. . .
Not too sure, but I "THINK" that the web sites that FireFox has the most trouble with are those that use frames - now don't ask what that means because I haven't the foggiest idea, just that I keep seeing the notion of "frames" popping up in some ( a lot??) of the sites I visit and that the ones I try to print to *.ps and/or *.pdf files get horribly mangled by FireFox.

Checked it out - frames were already enabled - must be the default choice.

So is your FireFox set up to deal with frames? I think it is something like browser.frames.enabled set to true in about:config. Also, frames are somewhat contentious and considered bad form by many. I don't think you can expect standard behaviour in that regard. It's generally a web site problem and not the browsers fault, although different browsers will render a faulty site differently.

[geezer]

Re: Leaving Firefox??

Well, the reality is that sometimes one Linux solution just doesn't work for someone.

The good news for that reality is that Linux affords the opportunity to exercise choice. Sounds like it's just time to move on to something else and if Chrome works for what you need to do, go for it. You can always try something else, including Firefox, at some later date. No sense being frustrated, it just wastes time

Oh - I totally agree.

But I also, would like to find out if others are having the same or similar problems. If so, then it would be worth my while to inform the developers of the problem and provide them the opportunity to fix it. I would rather that than just immediately jump ship and leave the developers hanging wondering why they are losing users.

From the feedback I'm getting here, it appears that I seem to be singular in my printing problems with FireFox.

[spottedhog]

Re: Leaving Firefox??

I had stopped using Firefox and switched to Chrome. But after 3 weeks of using Chrome, along with an upgrade to 10.10, I got tired of Chrome's "Oh Snap", and the near constant flashplayer quitting. I tried all the flashplayer fixes, but none of them have seemed to help. I had similar flashplayer issues on Firefox.

A few days ago I saw this posting and tried sqlpython's fixes, and I am back to using Firefox again. Firefox is now much faster, nearly as fast as Chrome, and I have not had one flashplayer crash in 3 days. I used to have daily multiple crashes on Firefox.

Now, Firefox is a joy to use, while Chrome still does Oh Snap, and has the flashplayer crashes.

Thank you sqlpython!

[Snowhog]

Re: Leaving Firefox??

Ubuntu Firefox release has been known to have a bottleneck.

This will help..
To speed it up.....

Open your Firefox and type about:config in URL address bar
and hit enter.
Then make the changes 1 thru 4 below by using the Filter Field to find Each..
To make a False into True, select the line to change, and double click or Right click and choose Toogle.
On the 2nd option change below maxrequests, right click and select Modify

1..- network.http.pipelining > Make it True

2..- network.http.pipelining.maxrequests > Change to 8 or 10

3..- network.http.proxy.pipelining > Make it True

4..- network.dns.disableIPv6 > Make it True

Restart Firefox and check out the New Faster Speed..
Enjoy..

Just made the changes and restarted Firefox. Wow. Noticably faster. Cool. 8)