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**claydoh** · Jun 24, 2011, 06:19 PM

Re: Netscape Navigator 9 install help...

you do realize that netscape 9 is built from Firefox 2.0, don't you

It also runs just fine - download the pre-compiled tar from here, http://browser.netscape.com/releases
extract, then simply double click the navigator file in there, it runs just fine for me in 64bit Natty land. No deps required. Just like grabbing FF generic tarballs from mozilla, actually. If it runs in Natty, it should run in Lucid.

Which bank, if i may ask, and what is the scanner feature exactly? And why would said bank require an ancient, outdated, unsupported and probably less secure browser anyway?

Tried Google Chrome or Chromium?

**ardvark71** · Jun 25, 2011, 03:14 AM

Re: Netscape Navigator 9 install help...

Originally posted by claydoh

It also runs just fine - download the pre-compiled tar from here, http://browser.netscape.com/releases
extract, then simply double click the navigator file in there, it runs just fine for me in 64bit Natty land. No deps required. Just like grabbing FF generic tarballs from mozilla, actually. If it runs in Natty, it should run in Lucid.

Which bank, if i may ask, and what is the scanner feature exactly? And why would said bank require an ancient, outdated, unsupported and probably less secure browser anyway?

Tried Google Chrome or Chromium?

Hi....

I downloaded the latest version from the exact same location you provided and unfortunately, double clicking on it produces nothing. After trying to install it from the command line is when I received the message about it needing the libstdc++5 library. After trying to find and extract the 32 bit version of these files (from a .deb,), I get the wrong ELF class message. the .deb installer will not install the 32 bit version by itself. The 64 bit version doesn't work at all.

Is there a way to directly unpackage the .deb 32 bit files directly to the lib32 folder either from command line or drag and drop?

Not desiring to give anyone a bad name, I will refrain from giving the name of the bank...but I did speak to them about this and put in a ticket to the department that handles the website. I asked them to add support for Opera and if they refuse, to explain why. These are the browsers that are fully supported...

Internet Explorer 6 and newer
Netscape 8 and newer.
Mozilla Firefox 1.7 and newer
Safari 2.0 and newer

Unfortunately, as you can see, Google Chrome or Chromium is not supported either. I'm guessing they are trying to throw as wide a loop as possible to include as many Windows users and OS's as possible. I did try installing Safari under Wine, however, it keeps shutting down before the first page even finishes loading up. Not sure what to do about that either.

The feature in question allows me to scan checks through their website for deposit, saving me a trip (or trips) down to the bank. Along with my time, it also allows me to save on gas and further wear and tear on my car.

Regards...

**arochester** · Jun 25, 2011, 03:58 AM

Re: Netscape Navigator 9 install help...

If you install: PlayOnLinux

It enables you to install (through Wine) Internet Explorer 6 and 7 and Safari 3.1.2

**claydoh** · Jun 25, 2011, 04:51 AM

Re: Netscape Navigator 9 install help...

extract the file anywhere, go into the folder, click on the 'netscape" file. It runs. no compile, nothing.

**GreyGeek** · Jun 25, 2011, 05:30 AM

Re: Netscape Navigator 9 install help...

What are your issues with FireFox?

It would be wiser to use FireFox than to run any version of Internet Explorer or Netscape. You might as well post your account login info on your back, like a "Kick Me!" sign, because that is what will happen.

As you know, FF has a "Private Browsing" option that doesn't leave any cookies or traces on your computer of your activity with your bank IF you use it during your online banking.

IF I understand you correctly your bank allows you, in effect, to scan a check someone has given you and to upload the scanned image to them, which they will accept in lou of the real check. That's a nice feature. The image contains the bank routing and account number, the amount and the signature of the person who wrote the original check. Do they require you to mail in the original sooner or later?

**wizard10000** · Jun 25, 2011, 06:18 AM

Re: Netscape Navigator 9 install help...

Wondering why we can't just use FF and a user agent switcher?

**ardvark71** · Jun 25, 2011, 06:32 PM

Re: Netscape Navigator 9 install help...

Originally posted by claydoh

extract the file anywhere, go into the folder, click on the 'netscape" file. It runs. no compile, nothing.

That's what should happen but, like I said, it doesn't work. However, I agree with Greygeek that using this browser is a security risk, one that I am not keen on taking with my finances. With that in mind, I think I am just going to drop this particular endeavor.

@Greygeek: What you will find when typing in "about:mozilla" is my issue with Firefox. To me, these are obvious satanic references that I want nothing to do with.

Yes, having this feature is nice and from what I understand, I won't be required to send or bring in the check once I scan it. However, if there is something they don't like about the check, they reserve the right to reject the scanned check and require me to bring it in in person.

Regards...

**wizard10000** · Jun 25, 2011, 07:17 PM

Re: Netscape Navigator 9 install help...

Originally posted by ardvark71

What you will find when typing in "about:mozilla" is my issue with Firefox. To me, these are obvious satanic references that I want nothing to do with.

Then you don't want Netscape either.

User agent string for Netscape 9 on Windows - Linux would be the same but the OS version would differ:

Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20050302 Firefox/0.9.6

Netscape 8:

Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7) Gecko/20041122 Firefox/0.5.6+

Netscape 7:

Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax)

Netscape 6:

Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3

and so on to Netscape 1:

Mozilla/1.1N (Windows; I; 32bit)

Netscape *is* Mozilla. Always has been.

**ardvark71** · Jun 25, 2011, 07:29 PM

Re: Netscape Navigator 9 install help...

Originally posted by wizard10000

Netscape *is* Mozilla. Always has been.

Hi...

Ok, thank you. Settles that.

By the way, thank you again for your help with the "administrator's" question I had a while back. The system is simply locked down too tight to reasonably get into it. Upgrading the video card helped it a little bit but, unfortunately, I think it's using Microsoft's native drivers, which, in my opinion, aren't the best for it.

Regards...

**wizard10000** · Jun 25, 2011, 07:44 PM

Re: Netscape Navigator 9 install help...

Originally posted by ardvark71

By the way, thank you again for your help with the "administrator's" question I had a while back. The system is simply locked down too tight to reasonably get into it. Upgrading the video card helped in a little bit, but unfortunately I think it's using Microsoft's native drivers for it which, unfortunately aren't the best for it.

Did you ever get it going?

**ardvark71** · Jun 25, 2011, 08:54 PM

Re: Netscape Navigator 9 install help...

Originally posted by wizard10000

Did you ever get it going?

It still works, it's just far from optimal.

Regards...

**GreyGeek** · Jun 25, 2011, 09:58 PM

Re: Netscape Navigator 9 install help...

Originally posted by ardvark71

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@Greygeek: What you will find when typing in "about:mozilla" is my issue with Firefox. To me, these are obvious satanic references that I want nothing to do with.

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Actually, there is no reference to Satan, unless you consider Microsoft to be Satan.

"Mammon" is a veiled representation of Microsoft which, according to the Oxford dictionary defines "the god of wealth, regarded as evil or immoral; 'those who worship mammon' are equivalent to greedy people who value money too highly." fits the title perfectly. The reborn"beast" refers the Netscape browser "coming back to life" as FireFox. The "sacrificed crops" is money, time and talent spend on writing FireFox. The fox, of course, is a cunning creature. The "sacred words" are, in my mind, the GPL.

There is no such thing as an actual "The Book of Mozilla".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Book_of_Mozilla

The Book of Mozilla is a computer Easter egg found in the Netscape and Mozilla series of web browsers.[1][2] It is viewed by directing the browser to about:mozilla.[3][4][5]

There is no real book entitled The Book of Mozilla. However, apparent quotations hidden in Netscape and Mozilla give this impression by revealing passages in the style of apocalyptic literature, such as the Book of Revelation in the Bible. When about:mozilla is typed into the location bar, various versions of these browsers display a cryptic message in white text on a maroon background in the browser window.

There are five official verses of The Book of Mozilla which have been included in shipping releases, although various unofficial verses can be found on the World Wide Web. All five official verses have scriptural chapter and verse references, although these are actually references to important dates in the history of Netscape and Mozilla.

The five verses all refer to the activities of a fearsome-sounding "beast". In its early days, Netscape Communications Corporation had a green fire-breathing dragon-like lizard mascot, known as Mozilla (after the code name for Netscape Navigator 1.0). From this, it can be conjectured that the "beast" referred to in The Book of Mozilla is a type of fire-breathing lizard, which can be viewed as a metaphor for, or personification of Netscape.

While part of the appeal of The Book of Mozilla comes from the mysterious nature, a knowledge of the history of Netscape and Mozilla can be used to extract some meaning from the verses. Furthermore, the Book of Mozilla page has annotations for each of the first, second, third and fifth verses hidden as comments in its HTML source code.[6] These comments were written by Valerio Capello in May 2004 and were added to the Mozilla Foundation site by Nicholas Bebout in October that year. Neither Capello nor Bebout are 'core' Mozilla decision-makers; and there is no evidence that Capello's interpretations received any high-level approval from the senior management of the Mozilla Foundation.
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The "Creator" refers to Netscape the company. There are two interpretations of the verse: the phrase "beast reborn" appears in the previous verse referring to the Mozilla Foundation and "it was good" could be a tribute to everyone who contributed to the Mozilla project. "Beast reborn" could also be a reference to Netscape reopening their browser division instead of outsourcing development; Netscape Browser 8 was produced by Mercurial Communications.

This verse is a parody of God's creation of Earth described in Genesis 1:4, 1:10, 1:12, 1:18, 1:21, 1:25, 1:31 of the Bible.[7] It also may be referencing Luke 3:22 of the Bible.

Not being familiar with the history of Linux or the crass greed of Microsoft and its leadership, or their lack of ethics or morals, I can understand why that "easter egg" would be confusing or offensive to many Christians, especially since the Christian faith and its adherents are under constant ridicule and attack by much of the main stream media, and this Easter Egg would, in the mind of some of them, be just another example of a parody at Christians expense.

Strange, though. I've been using Netscape since it first appeared, and then FireFox, but this is the first time I heard of the "messages" behind "about:config". I view it as nothing more than "meat offered to idols".

**ardvark71** · Jun 27, 2011, 03:19 AM

Re: Netscape Navigator 9 install help...

Originally posted by GreyGeek

Not being familiar with the history of Linux or the crass greed of Microsoft and its leadership, or their lack of ethics or morals, I can understand why that "easter egg" would be confusing or offensive to many Christians, especially since the Christian faith and its adherents are under constant ridicule and attack by much of the main stream media, and this Easter Egg would, in the mind of some of them, be just another example of a parody at Christians expense.

Hi GreyGeek...

Thank you for your sympathy and understanding.

Regards...

**ardvark71** · Sep 29, 2011, 01:16 AM

Re: (SOLVED) Netscape Navigator 9 install help...

Hi all...

UPDATE: I finally found a way to get rid of the so called "book of mozilla!!

In case others wish to do so, just open a terminal and type in:

Code:

gksudo dolphin

When the dolphin window comes up click on "root,"--->"usr,"--->"lib" and then "firefox." Then click on "chrome" and then the "toolkit.jar." When that window comes up click on the "+" next to "Global" and then scroll down to mozilla.xhtml." Highlight it and then click the "delete" button above. Firefox will ask if you're sure you want to delete as the change will be permanent.

If you try typing in "about:mozilla," you should get a page that includes this error message:

File not found

Firefox can't find the file at jar:file:///usr/lib/firefox-3.6.23/chrome/toolkit.jar!/content/global/mozilla.xhtml.

And that should do it!

Hope this helps...

FURTHER UPDATE: The above works for Firefox 3.6, however, if you're using version 10, the process is a little different. As stated above, bring up a terminal ant type in:

Code:

gksudo dolphin

Then, as before, go to "usr--->lib--->firefox 10.x" and then click on omni.ja. When that window comes up, click on "Chrome," and then "toolkit," then "content," then "global." Then find "mozilla.xhtml," right click on the entry and select "delete." That should take care of it.

YET ANOTHER UPDATE: The solution for version 10 above also, if I remember correctly, works for version 13. I'm not sure about 14 through 17. However, with version 18 there is a slight change. Performing the edit is the same as for 10 except that you need to rename the "omni.ja" file to "omni.jar" before going in and deleting "mozilla.xhtml." You can change it back when you get done. Not performing this step results in an error message from 7 zip.

Here is some information I found concerning this file...

https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/...ly_omni.jar%29

ONE MORE TIME....HOPEFULLY: For Firefox 20 and above, I learned of the set of instructions here. This worked for me using Firefox 32. In my case, I didn't need to do all of them, as I only am using one account and it only involved deleting one file, the "book of mozilla"...

Fortunately, the files in this jar can still be edited, with some more effort.

Firstly, let me note that on Ubuntu, there are two omni.jas. The first in in /usr/lib/firefox, and the second is in /usr/lib/firefox/browser. These contain different code, so you may have to find out which one holds your JS.

Extracting the files from omni.ja is pretty simple. Copy omni.ja to a temporary directory, and run unzip omni.ja on it. (sudo apt-get install unzip may be necessary. Alternatively, use Ubuntu's Archive manager after renaming it to a .zip)

If you wish to modify a file from omni.ja, be sure that you delete its corresponding binary in the jsloader/resources/gre subtree or under the jssubloader tree. Then modify the javascript file as usual.

Try to keep a backup of the old omni.ja just in case, syntax errors may stop Firefox from loading.

To repack, you have to run zip -qr9XD omni.ja * in the same temporary directory. Be sure to delete the old omni.ja file before zipping, otherwise you may end up with a nested omni.ja. While I was playing with the file, after an initial smooth period where everything worked, I started getting segfaults even when simply unpacking, repacking, and loading omni.ja because I was neglecting to delete the old omni.ja, which created a jar that was nested in around 25 levels, which was too large for Firefox.

Regards...

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