10.04 regression

[rihad]

Hi, after a recent security upgrade several things I've got used to no longer occur:
(0) konsole doesn't remember the opened tabs, so I have to recreate them manually after every reboot.
(1) apps no longer remember the desktop which they were assigned to, so I have to manually move them after every reboot.
(2) The machine doesn't turn off completely when KDE's "power off" button is pressed, necessitating pressing the knob.

This is getting kind of annoying. Any hints? There's one thing you can rest assured of: there are more important things for me to do than constantly keep tweaking the KDE settings, so I'm pretty darn sure I haven't screwed something up: I haven't touched the settings in months, after setting them up to my needs initially.

Thanks

[Fintan]

Re: 10.04 regression

The machine doesn't turn off completely when KDE's "power off" button is pressed, necessitating pressing the knob

I have been having similar issue lately.

It is sporadic and I can't find the reason.

Press "esc" to get into verbose mode at "turn off" and do

ctrl-alt-del

or

poweroff

http://www.computerhope.com/unix/uhalt.htm

Sorry I can't help you on the other two. Haven't seen that yet.

[rihad]

Re: 10.04 regression

Press "esc" to get into verbose mode at "turn off" and do

ctrl-alt-del

or

poweroff

The monitor is turned off by that time, I'm not sure that would work.

Regarding the other two issues: they do not occur when a mere "Logout" and a re-login is done, in that case, everything is as it should be. They only takes place when the PC is rebooted (cold or warm). The desktop "remembers" the apps opened previously, but "forgets" their desktop-wise placement and konsole's opened tabs. I'm pretty sure the devs could track the offending change, as I've started experiencing this problem not a long time ago.

[rihad]

Re: 10.04 regression

Anyone?

p.s.: How can I make sure the devs (Kubuntu or KDE?) are aware of these regressions? Like submitting a bug report.

[dibl]

Re: 10.04 regression

Bugs for *buntu: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs

Reviewing bugs: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/

Sign up to receive bug reports and feedback: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs


Use the launchpad site to search first. For example: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+s...it/+bug/483007

[rihad]

Re: 10.04 regression

(0) konsole doesn't remember the opened tabs, so I have to recreate them manually after every reboot.
(1) apps no longer remember the desktop which they were assigned to, so I have to manually move them after every reboot.

Both these problems are apparently related to this one:

(2) The machine doesn't turn off completely when KDE's "power off" button is pressed, necessitating pressing the knob.

The screen just blanks a couple of seconds after pressing KDE's "Turn off" or "Restart", OR running /sbin/reboot or /sbin/halt manually, and nothing occurs afterwards. There's no response to key presses, no response to the PC power button press (unless it's held for three seconds to force a brute turn off). Of course no currently running apps have a chance to save their settings, thus the described configuration mess upon reboot.

On which app's behalf should this bug be reported? I don't see a "kernel" section.

rihad@rihad:~$ uname -a
Linux rihad 2.6.32-22-generic #36-Ubuntu SMP Thu Jun 3 19:31:57 UTC 2010 x86_64 GNU/Linux
rihad@rihad:~$

[jglen490]

Re: 10.04 regression

This looks like a bug I just filed.

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/598674

If it's the same situation, you can add on to it.

[rihad]

Re: 10.04 regression

This looks like a bug I just filed.

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/598674

If it's the same situation, you can add on to it.

No, it didn't simply start occurring after the upgrade to 10.04, it worked great for me at most a couple of weeks ago, while I was still in 10.04. And my screen doesn't just blank, it's turned off, as if through DPMS, or after having unplugged it from the PC.

[rihad]

Re: 10.04 regression

Upgrading from vmlinuz-2.6.32-22-generic to vmlinuz-2.6.32-23-generic didn't fix the shutdown bug. To be on the safe side I have to close all the apps I care for by hand every time, do a sync, and then halt, crossing my fingers lest any data should be lost.

[dibl]

Re: 10.04 regression

Have you played around with power management settings and profiles? Usually that shutdown problem, which is not terribly uncommon, is related to the video driver in use and/or power management (ACPI, APIC, etc.) functions.

For example, if you Ctrl-Alt-F1 to the tty console and log in, and then shut down X with

sudo service kdm stop

if you then issue

sudo shutdown now -h

it will shut down correctly. This proves that it is not a problem of the running kernel, or the underlying operating system. So you know the problem is limited to something involved with the X desktop environment.

[rihad]

Re: 10.04 regression

dibi, thanks, I guess you were right. I don't usually do a lot of Ctrl+Alt+F1, but I did now, and the screen instantly turned off instead of presenting the login prompt.. Pressing Ctrl+Alt+F7 got me back to X. Then I did C+A+F1 again, blindly logged in and typed "sudo halt -p", and voila: the shutdown proceeded as normal. True, I forgot to stop kdm first. Nonetheless, upon reboot konsole forgot its previously opened tabs just the same, and the apps forgot which desktop they were previously assigned to. Is that because I didn't do "kdm stop" first?

I'm pretty sure I haven't tweaked KDE's settings for months. I only do "aptitude safe-upgrade" when proposed to by the update-manager or whatever. I have an ATI video card, and the following modules loaded:

rihad@rihad:~$ lsmod|fgrep radeon
radeon 740390 0
ttm 60847 1 radeon
drm_kms_helper 30742 1 radeon
drm 199204 3 radeon,ttm,drm_kms_helper
i2c_algo_bit 6024 1 radeon

[dibl]

Re: 10.04 regression

You and Fintan both run Radeon GPUs, so ....

I would be searching Ubuntu forums, using the model number of your graphic chip/card, and looking for a display problem. The fix might be as simple as a boot option (i.e. a video framebuffer issue), or it might be one of the apic/acpi/lapic options.

I do remember having the identical symptoms with an Nvidia card, a couple years back, in which I had to do a "blind" login to a tty console that was clearly running, but invisible. Basically, the power management function of your video card has your monitor in "sleep" mode, even though the keyboard and computer are alive and well.

[rihad]

Re: 10.04 regression

I would be searching Ubuntu forums, using the model number of your graphic chip/card, and looking for a display problem. The fix might be as simple as a boot option (i.e. a video framebuffer issue), or it might be one of the apic/acpi/lapic options.

As per lspci I have this card:

01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV370 [Sapphire X550 Silent]
01:00.1 Display controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV370 secondary [Sapphire X550 Silent]

Searching kubuntuforums.net for RV370 (or X550) found nothing that helped
Some old suggestions I've tried so far:

$ sudo aticonfig
aticonfig: No supported adapters detected
$

http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/inde...6483#msg186483

The closest problem I could find similar to mine is this:
http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/inde...77723#msg77723

but in my case shutdown, poweroff or halt don't work, experiencing the same problem.

[russlar]

Re: 10.04 regression

I would be searching Ubuntu forums, using the model number of your graphic chip/card, and looking for a display problem. The fix might be as simple as a boot option (i.e. a video framebuffer issue), or it might be one of the apic/acpi/lapic options.

As per lspci I have this card:

01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV370 [Sapphire X550 Silent]
01:00.1 Display controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV370 secondary [Sapphire X550 Silent]

Searching kubuntuforums.net for RV370 (or X550) found nothing that helped
Some old suggestions I've tried so far:

$ sudo aticonfig
aticonfig: No supported adapters detected
$

http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/inde...6483#msg186483

looks like you're using the proprietary driver, and I'm not sure it supports your card any more.

IIRC, ATi marked everything older than the HD3xxx series as 'legacy' roughly a year ago, meaning that drivers written for the then-current Xorg and newer wouldn't those cards. You may want to look into the open source radeon driver.

[rihad]

Re: 10.04 regression

You may want to look into the open source radeon driver.

rihad@rihad:~$ apt-cache search radeon
libdrm-radeon1 - Userspace interface to radeon-specific kernel DRM services -- runtime
libdrm-radeon1-dbg - Userspace interface to radeon-specific kernel DRM services -- debugging symbols
radeontool - utility to control ATI Radeon backlight functions on laptops
xserver-xorg-video-ati - X.Org X server -- AMD/ATI display driver wrapper
xserver-xorg-video-ati-dbg - X.Org X server -- AMD/ATI display driver wrapper (debugging symbols)
xserver-xorg-video-radeon - X.Org X server -- AMD/ATI Radeon display driver
xserver-xorg-video-radeon-dbg - X.Org X server -- AMD/ATI Radeon display driver (debugging symbols)
rovclock - utility to control frequency rates of your Radeon card
xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd - X.Org X server -- AMD/ATI r5xx, r6xx display driver
xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd-dbg - X.Org X server -- AMD/ATI r5xx, r6xx display driver
mplayer - movie player for Unix-like systems
mplayer-gui - movie player for Unix-like systems
fglrx - Video driver for the ATI graphics accelerators
fglrx-amdcccle - Catalyst Control Center for the ATI graphics accelerators
fglrx-dev - Video driver for the ATI graphics accelerators (devel files)

rihad@rihad:~$ dpkg -l|fgrep radeon
ii libdrm-radeon1 2.4.18-1ubuntu3 Userspace interface to radeon-specific kerne
ii radeontool 1.6.1-0ubuntu1 utility to control ATI Radeon backlight func
ii xserver-xorg-video-radeon 1:6.13.0-1ubuntu5 X.Org X server -- AMD/ATI Radeon display dri

rihad@rihad:~$ dpkg -l|fgrep fglrx
ii fglrx 2:8.723.1-0ubuntu4 Video driver for the ATI graphics accelerato
ii fglrx-amdcccle 2:8.723.1-0ubuntu4 Catalyst Control Center for the ATI graphics
ii fglrx-modaliases 2:8.723.1-0ubuntu4 Identifiers supported by the ATI graphics dr
ii xorg-driver-fglrx 2:8.723.1-0ubuntu4 Transitional package for xorg-driver-fglrx

I'm confused. Which driver should I be using instead of the installed one? xserver-xorg-video-ati?


Update: wow, Kubuntu has them all installed!

$ dpkg -l|fgrep video
ii dragonplayer 4:4.4.2-0ubuntu3 simple KDE 4 video player
ii lib32v4l-0 0.6.4-1ubuntu1 Collection of video4linux support libraries
ii libpostproc51 4:0.5.1-1ubuntu1 ffmpeg video postprocessing library
ii libschroedinger-1.0-0 1.0.9.is.1.0.8-0ubuntu1 library for encoding/decoding of Dirac video
ii libswscale0 4:0.5.1-1ubuntu1 ffmpeg video scaling library
ii libv4l-0 0.6.4-1ubuntu1 Collection of video4linux support libraries
ii libx264-85 2:0.85.1448+git1a6d32-4 x264 video coding library
ii libxine1 1.1.17-1ubuntu3 the xine video/media player library, meta-pa
ii libxine1-bin 1.1.17-1ubuntu3 the xine video/media player library, binary
ii libxine1-x 1.1.17-1ubuntu3 X desktop video output plugins for libxine1
ii libxvidcore4 2:1.2.2+debian-0ubuntu2 An open source MPEG-4 video codec (library)
ii libxxf86vm1 1:1.1.0-2 X11 XFree86 video mode extension library
ii vbetool 1.1-2 run real-mode video BIOS code to alter hardw
ii xine-ui 0.99.5+cvs20070914-2.1 the xine video player, user interface
ii xserver-xorg-video-all 1:7.5+5ubuntu1 the X.Org X server -- output driver metapack
ii xserver-xorg-video-apm 1:1.2.2-1 X.Org X server -- APM display driver
ii xserver-xorg-video-ark 1:0.7.2-1 X.Org X server -- ark display driver
ii xserver-xorg-video-ati 1:6.13.0-1ubuntu5 X.Org X server -- AMD/ATI display driver wra
ii xserver-xorg-video-chips 1:1.2.2-1 X.Org X server -- Chips display driver
ii xserver-xorg-video-cirrus 1:1.3.2-1ubuntu1 X.Org X server -- Cirrus display driver
ii xserver-xorg-video-fbdev 1:0.4.1-1ubuntu1 X.Org X server -- fbdev display driver
ii xserver-xorg-video-i128 1:1.3.3-1 X.Org X server -- i128 display driver
ii xserver-xorg-video-intel 2:2.9.1-3ubuntu5 X.Org X server -- Intel i8xx, i9xx display d
ii xserver-xorg-video-mach64 6.8.2-2 X.Org X server -- ATI Mach64 display driver
ii xserver-xorg-video-mga 1:1.4.11.dfsg-2ubuntu1 X.Org X server -- MGA display driver
ii xserver-xorg-video-neomagic 1:1.2.4-2 X.Org X server -- Neomagic display driver
ii xserver-xorg-video-nouveau 1:0.0.15+git20100219+9b4118d-0ubuntu5 X.Org X server -- Nouveau display driver (ex
ii xserver-xorg-video-nv 1:2.1.15-1ubuntu3 X.Org X server -- NV display driver
ii xserver-xorg-video-openchrome 1:0.2.904+svn827-1 X.Org X server -- VIA display driver
ii xserver-xorg-video-r128 6.8.1-2ubuntu1 X.Org X server -- ATI r128 display driver
ii xserver-xorg-video-radeon 1:6.13.0-1ubuntu5 X.Org X server -- AMD/ATI Radeon display dri
ii xserver-xorg-video-rendition 1:4.2.3-1 X.Org X server -- Rendition display driver
ii xserver-xorg-video-s3 1:0.6.3-1 X.Org X server -- legacy S3 display driver
ii xserver-xorg-video-s3virge 1:1.10.4-1 X.Org X server -- S3 ViRGE display driver
ii xserver-xorg-video-savage 1:2.3.1-1ubuntu1 X.Org X server -- Savage display driver
ii xserver-xorg-video-siliconmotion 1:1.7.3-1 X.Org X server -- SiliconMotion display driv
ii xserver-xorg-video-sis 1:0.10.2-2 X.Org X server -- SiS display driver
ii xserver-xorg-video-sisusb 1:0.9.3-1 X.Org X server -- SiS USB display driver
ii xserver-xorg-video-tdfx 1:1.4.3-1 X.Org X server -- tdfx display driver
ii xserver-xorg-video-trident 1:1.3.3-1 X.Org X server -- Trident display driver
ii xserver-xorg-video-tseng 1:1.2.3-1 X.Org X server -- Tseng display driver
ii xserver-xorg-video-v4l 1:0.2.0-4 X.Org X server -- Video 4 Linux display driv
ii xserver-xorg-video-vesa 1:2.3.0-1ubuntu1 X.Org X server -- VESA display driver
ii xserver-xorg-video-vmware 1:10.16.9-1 X.Org X server -- VMware display driver
ii xserver-xorg-video-voodoo 1:1.2.3-1 X.Org X server -- Voodoo display driver
rihad@rihad:~$