Installing KDE SC 4.5 Beta 2

[kubicle]

Re: Installing KDE SC 4.5 Beta 2

In development, the designations "Alpha" and "Beta" mean something.

You are right, of course, but you may have some misconceptions of what alphas and betas mean in the context of KDE development.

In the KDE development cycle, alphas and betas are not released based on "maturity", but at defined points in the development schedule. For example, beta1 comes after the "hard feature freeze", when the development focus shifts from features to bug fixing. Betas should therefore be "feature" stable (a distinction from alphas), but as the majority of bug fixing happens during the beta cycle, they're are generally not bug or crash free. And while later betas generally are less buggy, there is no guarantee of that.

Betas cannot be released based on "maturity", because determining maturity requires testing, and you can't get wide enough testing without releasing (chicken and egg dilemma), although sometimes releases are delayed a few days if there are obvious release stoppers.

The KDE release schedule should shine some light on the role of betas and rcs in KDE development.

There are different development models in existence, of course, but this is the one chosen by KDE.

[Mountain Man]

Re: Installing KDE SC 4.5 Beta 2

But the bugs we got are more accurately described by calling it an alpha release, not a beta release.

As far as I know, there is no definitive definition of "alpha" or "beta" software. What one development team calls "alpha", another might call "beta". Long story short, you're taking your chances anytime it's not release code -- and even then, what one development teams calls "release code", another might call "beta".

[dibl]

Re: Installing KDE SC 4.5 Beta 2

what one development teams calls "release code", another might call "beta".

Or, as my friend the software engineer likes to put it: "The software is never finished."

[abalone]

Re: Installing KDE SC 4.5 Beta 2

Well, while bugs.kde.org is down... anyone else having trouble using System Settings to change the look of the login screen (theme or no theme, no matter)?

[img width=358 height=400]http://home.arcor.de/kittycrisis/kdm6.png[/img]

(Full-size picture: clicky here)

The files mentioned exist.

[idyllic]

Re: Installing KDE SC 4.5 Beta 2

Can't be worse than mine

http://imagebin.ca/view/jzjPLon.html

- Klipper - invoke the list shortcut doesn't work no matter what key combination you give it (default Ctrl+Alt+V)
- Dolphin - is constantly unresponsive (have to use konqueror now)
- Tray - is moody sometime.

[abalone]

Re: Installing KDE SC 4.5 Beta 2

Can't be worse than mine

http://imagebin.ca/view/jzjPLon.html

Mine had also reverted to that Win95 look until I changed it back.

[idyllic]

Re: Installing KDE SC 4.5 Beta 2

:O How did you manage to change it back? Really appreciate if you can share your workaround.

May you confirm the klipper and dolphin bug as well?

[abalone]

Re: Installing KDE SC 4.5 Beta 2

:O How did you manage to change it back? Really appreciate if you can share your workaround.

I just ran kdesudo systemsettings and set the widget style for root to Oxygen...

May you confirm the klipper and dolphin bug as well?

Klipper yes (but I'm not very familiar with Klipper). Dolphin no.

[abalone]

Re: Installing KDE SC 4.5 Beta 2

Okay... Dolphin, too.

And Kaffeine doesn't show any video anymore, just audio. VLC and Dragonplayer still work. But Kaffeine was the best.