Lucid needed more time and thought before calling it LTS

[zlow]

Re: Lucid needed more time and thought before calling it LTS

The loudest critics are the least contributors. At least, that's my observation. 8)

Sometimes true, however many of the loudest critics often have significant knowledge and experience.

[DirtyJ]

Re: Lucid needed more time and thought before calling it LTS

Kubuntu has been what I would consider a bleeding edge distro ever since the introduction of KDE4.

Seriously?

You must be crazy. Any form of Ubuntu is hardly bleeding edge. Most of the default packages are 6 months old or more.

That's no where close to bleeding edge. Get your facts straight...

[zlow]

Re: Lucid needed more time and thought before calling it LTS

Kubuntu has been what I would consider a bleeding edge distro ever since the introduction of KDE4.

Seriously?

You must be crazy. Any form of Ubuntu is hardly bleeding edge. Most of the default packages are 6 months old or more.

That's no where close to bleeding edge. Get your facts straight...

Ubuntu LTS is built from Debian testing, all other versions are based on sid which is bleeding edge.

Many of the packages in the LTS can be considered bleeding edge, for example GNOME 2.30 in Lucid was released just days before Lucid shipped. Most packages in Ubuntu aren't 6 months old or more at time of release. If you mean to imply that they aren't bleeding edge 6 months after release, then I would agree.

[dibl]

Re: Lucid needed more time and thought before calling it LTS

Sometimes true, however many of the loudest critics often have significant knowledge and experience.

That is true, but "sharing" a rant on a user forum is a pretty useless exercise, regardless of the factual accuracy, depth of knowledge, and years of experience of the ranter. No one is helped, except to the extent that it makes the ranter feel better.


(yeah, I've vented here before, myself -- "pot calls kettle ....").

[zlow]

Re: Lucid needed more time and thought before calling it LTS

Sometimes true, however many of the loudest critics often have significant knowledge and experience.

That is true, but "sharing" a rant on a user forum is a pretty useless exercise, regardless of the factual accuracy, depth of knowledge, and years of experience of the ranter. No one is helped, except to the extent that it makes the ranter feel better.


(yeah, I've vented here before, myself -- "pot calls kettle ....").

I don't agree that it's useless, if the person venting feels better afterward then there is value, if others have similar experience and they contribute by venting even more value. Logically, these sorts of rants can be an initial indicator of a larger problem.

[Telengard]

Re: Lucid needed more time and thought before calling it LTS

You must be crazy.

Probably, but that's not really the point.

Any form of Ubuntu is hardly bleeding edge. Most of the default packages are 6 months old or more.

That's no where close to bleeding edge. Get your facts straight...

My facts are based on my own experiences with the distro and reading what others here at KFN have to say. That's not to say I'm right to use (or possibly misuse) a word like bleeding edge, but IMHO user experience is more important than quibbling over package release dates.

Kubuntu has a history of including unfinished, inadequately tested, experimental software. IMHO this is especially true since the introduction of KDE 4. Strigi was introduced with Hardy (I think) and didn't work then and AFAIK still doesn't do anything but suck up resources unnecessarily. KPackageKit was broken and unfinished from day 1, and users still have problems with it. Pulseaudio may be a great idea in theory, but it seems to cause more problems for users than it solves, at least for now. KDE 4 itself was not even ready for average users at the time Kubuntu began shipping it.

You might infer from these remarks that I don't like Kubuntu or KDE 4, but you would be mistaken. I do like KDE 4, and I want to see it become a mature, stable, and useful desktop environment for Linux users everywhere. I do like Kubuntu because it has Debian underneath and KDE works far better for me than Gnome. Heck KDE 4 works just fine on my Jaunty system (most times anyway.)

This isn't my rant thread anyway, so it would be better for you to address the OP instead of me.

[Yuri sss]

Re: Lucid needed more time and thought before calling it LTS

The fonts in Firefox are really hard to read. so much so that even with an O, the top and bottom of the O are cut out completely.

Granted, font rendering in Firefox is horrible on Kubuntu. The only solution I've found is to install the msttcorefonts package, but even that only helps a little. You can force Firefox to use fonts of your choice, but that setting is applied to all web pages AFAIK. This is a good reason to stick with Konqueror, which renders pages much better IMHO.

Font rendering works fine for me in Firefox 3.6.6 x64, without installing msttcorefonts, and without forcing webpages to only use my fonts.
Here's an example: (click for big)

[img width=400 height=124]http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/4060/firefoxfontrendering.png[/img]

Have you enabled subpixel smoothing? systemsettings > Appearance >Fonts, set "Use anti-aliasing" to "Enabled" and click on "Configure". Place a checkmark next to "Use subpixel rendering", select "Slight" as hinting style, click on "OK" and then on "Apply".

Previous versions of Kubuntu have not been working very well for me, but this version (10.04) works fine.

[Telengard]

Re: Lucid needed more time and thought before calling it LTS

Have you enabled subpixel smoothing? systemsettings > Appearance >Fonts, set "Use anti-aliasing" to "Enabled" and click on "Configure". Place a checkmark next to "Use subpixel rendering", select "Slight" as hinting style, click on "OK" and then on "Apply".

Mine was previously set to "system settings", but is now set to "enabled". What should "Force Fonts DPI" be set to? I really have no idea what these settings are supposed to do

When I applied the new settings an alert box popped up which said:

Some changes such as anti-aliasing will only affect newly started applications.

I'll play with the new setting a bit and see if it seems any better. (Note: This is on my Hardy system with KDE 3.5; I have yet to try any customizing on Jaunty.)

Edit

Yeah, it definitely makes a difference.

[Yuri sss]

Re: Lucid needed more time and thought before calling it LTS

Have you enabled subpixel smoothing? systemsettings > Appearance >Fonts, set "Use anti-aliasing" to "Enabled" and click on "Configure". Place a checkmark next to "Use subpixel rendering", select "Slight" as hinting style, click on "OK" and then on "Apply".

Mine was previously set to "system settings"

That means it was disabled.

but is now set to "enabled". What should "Force Fonts DPI" be set to? I really have no idea what these settings are supposed to do

Just leave the "Force Fonts" setting at the default (disabled).

When I applied the new settings an alert box popped up which said:

Some changes such as anti-aliasing will only affect newly started applications.

That's normal. It just means that you need to restart any running applications so they have the anti-aliasing applied.

Yeah, it definitely makes a difference.

Of course it does.
I really wonder why they don't turn it on by default.

[Telengard]

Re: Lucid needed more time and thought before calling it LTS

Yeah, it definitely makes a difference.

Of course it does.
I really wonder why they don't turn it on by default.

One very annoying thing I notice now is that Konsole scrolls very, very slowly.

[russlar]

Re: Lucid needed more time and thought before calling it LTS

Akonadi is still not operational, where am I to keep my contacts? ALL major OS's have a PIM. Very few are released that this feature does not work. <-- signs of NOT LTS.

This one isn't Kubuntu's fault, it comes from the upstream KDE. The KDE devs haven't got it working yet, even in 4.5.

[Snowhog]

Re: Lucid needed more time and thought before calling it LTS

It took me some time, but I got Akonadi working nicely here in LL with Kontact. I have posts here in KFN on what I went through and had to do. I've had zero problems with Akonadi since.

[Thain]

Re: Lucid needed more time and thought before calling it LTS

My rant did work, and I gained a whole lot from it.

All of you contributed something to my life. You all had smart things to say and I enjoyed all of your comments...

I have worked out most of my "bugs", but Kubuntu 10.04 LTS is stable at the moment.

[Thain]

Re: Lucid needed more time and thought before calling it LTS

It took me some time, but I got Akonadi working nicely here in LL with Kontact. I have posts here in KFN on what I went through and had to do. I've had zero problems with Akonadi since.

Thanks, I'll give it a shot.

[Yuri sss]

Re: Lucid needed more time and thought before calling it LTS

One very annoying thing I notice now is that Konsole scrolls very, very slowly.

Odd... doesn't scroll slowly for me.
You can try turning transparency off and see if that fixes it.