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**Snowhog** · May 30, 2010, 02:57 PM

Re: Disabling automatic security updates?

Install Synaptic Package Manager and start doing ALL of your package managing with it. KPackageKit is just not ready for production use. You can use KPackageKit to install Synaptic, or do it from the CLI:

Code:

sudo apt-get install synaptic

After Synaptic is installed, make your preference changes with it and see if you don't "get what you want" with it.

**chconnor** · May 30, 2010, 03:40 PM

Re: Disabling automatic security updates?

Roger that, thanks. I do have Synaptic installed and use it... I have looked through the prefs for it and didn't see anything that seemed relevant... when I go to Settings -> Repositories, it just brings up the same screen that KPackageKit brings up, with the settings as described in my last post. There was one setting, Settings -> Preferences -> General -> "System Upgrade" that was set to "Smart Upgrade"... I changed this to "Always Ask"... perhaps this was the switch that needed to be flipped? I'll report back if it doesn't work... and if you have or anyone else has any further ideas, i'm all ears. Otherwise, thanks much for the help,
-c

**Snowhog** · May 30, 2010, 05:16 PM

Re: Disabling automatic security updates?

My settings. I am always 'notified' of updates - I have to perform the actual fetching and installing of any updates.

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**chconnor** · May 30, 2010, 08:11 PM

Re: Disabling automatic security updates?

Mine look just like that (except for unsupported updates). I notice that there is an extra option and other minor differences in the "repositories" dialog's "updates" tab in the synaptic version, so i guess Kpackagekit isn't using the same window, it just cloned the synaptic window? Anyhow, my via-synaptic config looks just like yours, so we'll see if my system behaves itself now that i confirmed those settings through synaptic... i unset and set a couple values just to be sure it all registered...

Thanks!
-c

**chconnor** · Jun 02, 2010, 07:03 PM

Re: Disabling automatic security updates?

Hmmm... just now it just popped up another alert saying that security updates are being installed in the background, so the settings-via-synaptic seem not to have affected anything. Am I the only one with this issue?

KPackageKit has run in the interim, however, since it pops up for the other, non-security updates... so I suppose it's possible that it corrupted the settings somehow, but I have a feeling the answer may lie elsewhere? Even if it is KPK, can I somehow tell the Kubuntu auto-updates to use Synaptic instead?

It's pretty frustrating to have no obvious way to turn off automatic updating... I'm sure, or at least I would hope, it wasn't the intention of the desktop designers to make this impossible to turn off, so I'm wondering if my setup is somehow broken or if there is a bug?

-c

**buntu-user** · Jun 03, 2010, 11:15 AM

Re: Disabling automatic security updates?

I too am seeing this behavior, so, no, you are not alone. And, chconnor you are saying that installing synaptic did not fix the problem? I was waiting to see whether it helped before doing so myself.

Also, for me, when I manually download/update through KPackageKit, it does not prompt me for a password like it should. Snowhog has already suggested I install snaptic for this issue in the following thread:

http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/inde...opic=3112226.0

Something has occurred to me, however, in reading this thread. In Snowhog's screenshot, there was no choice for proprietary (restricted) drivers. My choices seem more debian--ish (main, universe, restricted, (all selected) and a choice for multiverse which I do not have ticked.

My system was originally installed from an 8.10 Kubuntu Live CD and dist-upgraded every 6 months thereafter. I currently run 10.04.

Perhaps, Snowhog or someone else that has done a fresh install of 10.04 could post their sources.lst
I too agree that this is probably something simple, so maybe an updated sources.lst would solve this perplexing problem for me. It is worth a try.

chconnor, was yours a fresh install, or was it a dist-upgrade? I am guessing the latter.

And yeah, I know. It really is time for me to do a fresh install of 10.04. I am long overdue for this, and have already toasted the CD.

**GreyGeek** · Jun 03, 2010, 12:33 PM

Re: Disabling automatic security updates?

I'm running from a CD GOLD install and noticed this behavior right after the 155 package update to KDE 4.4.4. Apparently there is an rc script setting that got changed and which isn't changed by editing using Synaptic or KpackageKit. I am going to go script hunting...

**chconnor** · Jun 03, 2010, 03:33 PM

Re: Disabling automatic security updates?

Thanks GreyGeek, eager to hear what you come up with.

buntu-user, I'm 9.04->9.10->10.04

-c

**ubersoft** · Jun 03, 2010, 03:53 PM

Re: Disabling automatic security updates?

I've also noticed this -- it's happening right now -- and it's really pissing me off. I specifically configured it to notify me of updates only. I use Synaptic for most everything, but I don't believe Synaptic integrates with the update notifier in KDE so I left kpackagekit installed. I guess I'll have to remove kpackagekit completely...

*grumble*

**GreyGeek** · Jun 03, 2010, 04:24 PM

Re: Disabling automatic security updates?

Those having automatic package updates ...

What does "/etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50unattended-upgrades" show a set of forward-slashes on the "Ubuntu lucid-updates" line, like so?

// Automatically upgrade packages from these (origin, archive) pairs
Unattended-Upgrade::Allowed-Origins {
"Ubuntu lucid-security";
// "Ubuntu lucid-updates";
};

Or check ~/.kde/share/config/KPackageKit and see if "autoUpdagte=1

[CheckUpdate]
autoUpdate=1

**Rog131** · Jun 03, 2010, 04:34 PM

Re: Disabling automatic security updates?

The KPackageKit (or is this the PackageKit) problem has been there some time:

(Fedora)
> kpackage settings do not stick
> Automatic update ran despite being disabled (which is bad)

An Ubuntu bug report > Bug #586497: kpackagekit install security update in automatic mode without authorization

There is an application (earlier > Topic: Auto Update) for the automatic installation of security upgrades:

Package: unattended-upgrades

automatic installation of security upgrades

but, i think, that you need to enable it from /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/10periodic.

**chconnor** · Jun 03, 2010, 05:15 PM

Re: Disabling automatic security updates?

Thanks Rog131, #586497 sounds like the bug, though it seems to have gained little/no attention...

So perhaps we can uninstall package unattended-upgrades? Or just comment out the line in 50unattended-upgrades, i suppose. I just want to do whatever is the lightest touch and least likely to cause confusion upon further upgrading, and/or fix whatever bug is present... My various config files follow.

Thanks all,
-c

Code:

$ sudo dpkg -l unattended-upgrades
Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold
| Status=Not/Inst/Cfg-files/Unpacked/Failed-cfg/Half-inst/trig-aWait/Trig-pend
|/ Err?=(none)/Reinst-required (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
||/ Name                     Version                    Description
+++-=============================================-=============================================
ii unattended-upgrades              0.55ubuntu4                  automatic installation of security upgrades

Code:

$ cat /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/10periodic 
APT::Periodic::Update-Package-Lists "1";
APT::Periodic::Download-Upgradeable-Packages "0";
APT::Periodic::AutocleanInterval "0";
APT::Periodic::Unattended-Upgrade "0";

Code:

$ cat /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50unattended-upgrades 
// Automatically upgrade packages from these (origin, archive) pairs
Unattended-Upgrade::Allowed-Origins {
    "Ubuntu lucid-security";
//   "Ubuntu lucid-updates";
};

...

Code:

$ cat .kde/share/config/KPackageKit
[CheckUpdate]
autoUpdate=1

...

-c

**Snowhog** · Jun 03, 2010, 08:37 PM

Re: Disabling automatic security updates?

Originally posted by Rog131

but, i think, that you need to enable it from /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/10periodic.

unattended-upgrades is installed here (Lucid 10.04), but not activated:

paul@mybrainonlinux:~$ cat /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/10periodic
APT::Periodic::Update-Package-Lists "1";
APT::Periodic:

ownload-Upgradeable-Packages "0";
APT::Periodic::AutocleanInterval "0";
APT::Periodic::Unattended-Upgrade "0";

In my case, based on my records, unattended-upgrades came in on 2010-05-14. I don't have this set as active:

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**chconnor** · Jun 03, 2010, 09:17 PM

Re: Disabling automatic security updates?

Originally posted by Snowhog

unattended-upgrades is installed here (Lucid 10.04), but not activated:

Likewise, here...

I don't have this set as active

...also likewise, yet the security updates happen without asking, for me...

-c

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